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Old November 4th, 2004, 05:53 AM   #1981
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<<<-- Originally posted by Jason Rodriguez : I would put a .DNG header on them. Then you can demosaic them in photoshop. -->>>

I am sorry but i have not understand!
Can you tell me the softwere for see that raw file posted by Obin?

(i have understand photoshop for the second step,but for the first step?)

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Old November 4th, 2004, 07:11 AM   #1982
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some wild ideas

first of all: GUI Why ?

hold on http://www.handykey.com/

the old one twidler 1. I've worked for years. I've been on the
wearhead group from Steve Man for years. It is araound very
cheap. There is even a smaller one I lost the name. They are
called chord keys. you have to train a bit but they do everything
a decend keyboard plus mouse can do it works with Windows
and Linux.

Dreaming a LCD attached to the camarabody and Steve Nordauser
application running there

Eeen more strange and back to the roots as Vance is anywhere
member of this board a mechanical shutter. we are free to have
a camera with the best Chip the fastest readout and free from
any shutter problem.

As we are not Arri nor Kreines back to the roots using a 16 or
whatever camerabody optical Viewfinder, voila we want to see
what the lens it giving us...

anyway and the deja posted SBC with a SATA array or an array of
firewire diskdrives Kreines uses the ipod disk'sit is not so far away

ronald

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Old November 4th, 2004, 07:25 AM   #1983
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<<<-- Originally posted by Valeriu Campan : Wayne,
Thanks for the reply regarding the audio. I think that this issue should go on a different thread-->>>

Not really an issue just chioces, but I did set up the technical thread for people to discuss hardware developement issues, to keep the clutter off this thread.
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Jason, yes I know, just illustrating for new people the reasons why people don't try to find better/cheaper industrial cameras, for example, cheaper IBIS5 cameras with better AD convertors.
(irritated side note:)
These spyware lunatics annoy me, I wish they would stop putting it on my system, the key strokes get a second or two behind (gets a bit obviouse), the stupid people don't realise that I run other systems for the important stuff.
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Old November 4th, 2004, 07:39 AM   #1984
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only for information

please take a look, looks cool
http://www.wearable.ethz.ch/qbic.0.html

well not fat enough but I know the sond fom CCD's, CMOs"
wait 6 month's and than again
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Old November 4th, 2004, 07:43 AM   #1985
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New Sensors:

Steve and others:

I too think it is a real shame that the Micron 1.3Mpixel didn't work out because of the smear etc, the images did look nice otherwise. Steve is there any really cheap sensor on the horizon that can produce pictures like these without the problems?

I have been researching the Samsung sensors and Smal sensors, but because of the protracted sickness, other commitments and the trip I'm about to go on I haven't got sepcific specs/details enough to decide. But I might as well tell all, the cheap still camera sensors they have included a kit with lossless compression engine, USB2.0, and memory card (not that that helps). Even though the public specs say different, when you put together the data rate etc, the sensors should be able to do 720p, but the sensors maybe programmed not to do that as they are meant for cheap still cameras (under $100 and up). They have a pixel resetting scheme (like dual slope) for very wide range. I can't remember if there was a global shutter, but maybe. I posted links to some pictures on the technical thread a while back. I don't know for cinema, but definitely something for cheap value HD video/doco. So as you can see they would be a better option than the IBIS5 or Micron 1.3MP. Don't flame me just have a look at the smal site (dev kits).

If any engineering person would like to look into it developing it, just send me a post on the technical thread so I can email you.
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Old November 4th, 2004, 08:08 AM   #1986
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Re: some wild ideas

<<<-- Originally posted by Ronald Biese :real time programmer, no Gui only hexcode, freelance Camaraman, 3d nerd -->>>

;)
pity not too many people can see the use of that than C not the use of it ;)

Do you use menuetos?

http://www.menuetos.org/

(Statement: have never used menuetos, and have never read it's doc's, as I am developing my own, but know of it's existence).
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Old November 4th, 2004, 08:20 AM   #1987
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Wayne: I'm disappointed you can't read hex codes (in realtime).
Would make for such an artfull display <g>
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Old November 4th, 2004, 08:40 AM   #1988
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Rob, don't be dissapionted, if they can read Matrix code
in the movies, surely you can read hex codes ;)
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Old November 4th, 2004, 09:17 AM   #1989
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Wayne, I went to their website and banged around the sensors a bit. The largest 1.3MPix is still only 1/3" If you do that, you might as well take a known clean sensor like the Micron 3.2Mpix (no smearing, 1/2") and window it down to 720p. We have that now - Obin is working with it. The Micron 1.3Mpix advantage is the larger pixel size (more sensitive, shallower DOF).
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Old November 4th, 2004, 09:32 AM   #1990
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....please!!

help me to understand the best way to convert and see the .raw clip posted by Obin.


<<<-- Originally posted by Jason Rodriguez : I would put a .DNG header on them. Then you can demosaic them in photoshop. -->>>

I am sorry but i have not understand!
Can you tell me the softwere for see that raw file posted by Obin?

(i have understand photoshop for the second step,but for the first step?)

Best regards


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Old November 4th, 2004, 01:12 PM   #1991
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Obin, you had mentioned going back down to 8-bit because 12-bit was causing too many headaches. Are you still thinking about doing that, or are you going to go ahead with the Altasens chip at 12-bit. Is the 3300 of a high enough quality to shoot a good picture with?
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Old November 4th, 2004, 05:20 PM   #1992
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have you guys consider this cmos: http://www.foveon.com/prod_f7.html

foveon 10.2 mp that at 25 fs I think it will work at 1080
but not shure, rolling shutter.and 1 inch would be yust great.

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Old November 5th, 2004, 04:09 AM   #1993
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Dear Marto

since 2000 I'm on the route to HD no kidding that's the best forum
here. My backgroung is realtime analysis, picture analysis in Automation
astro physics and for living and DOD, stooped all 2003

look down the page for this beauty of chip 25p they do with a
resolution rediculus low like all the Kodak etc in photo apparatus.
I do guess it's pure politics to protect Dalsa Sony Viper and all

imaging reall DOF real HD for the Indi....film only Signma is using
this chip people on the street reading 3.4 MB pixel rubbish !!

they don't understand these technic at all they don't read 3.4 MB
x 3 for RGB that's not bad at all that's no bayer at all that's quite a
bit like real film works fantastic

Why take a NikoCanoMio etc 8Mb Bayer that means nothing at all
so Sigma is telling the truth and the rest is not lying at all that's
the problem it's only waiting for the next chip, waiting waiting
and time passes by waiting for next year

an open real recorder was working for 40 years and now? DAT
oh no Minidisc oh no A Nagra was running with less power than
most laptops oh yes

in astro/physicc they do it use multiple chip's Imaging to use 4
Faveon RGB is all on one chip no focal problem no need to de-
bayer AND a mechanical shutter there are A/D and all already
for each quart of resuoution out there we have to use something
like a master clock to sync the whole system

pump it out to a backpack of I'Pod disks good old viefinder chep
optics from 35 mm Signa optics are chep and not bad at all so we
can use 35 optics some years old pure mechanic maybe

do nothing at all pump it in...a PC, Linux. Apple orwhat else
change the array mechanical like the next film roll Camarawork is
not lunatic a small SUV ist most time only some passes away

I'm gorilla cameraman, after that electronic nuts,that's my order
doing the best picture why not

ronald
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Old November 5th, 2004, 04:42 AM   #1994
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Meos or menuetos

Dear Wayne that was a good one well I've heard about lost the
direction a bit was engaged with Linux but happy to see it again

I do guess all what I do need is to write data to an disk array
nothing else shutter mechanic, as Vance told us lenses mechanic
keep it simple first only sync the whole and change the arryay
to a fresh one

dektop graphics machine in a SUV, Van, Volkswagen-bus sbaop
the array in Cinarella on Linux is not bad free and HD ready !!
even Hollywood knows abaout Film Gimp free not bad at all some others else

so what ?
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Old November 5th, 2004, 06:01 AM   #1995
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foveon going wild......

God day again: http://new.dpnow.com/1160.html

please scroll down and look what they call porros viewfinder
amazing no penta-prism anymore so what about ?

multiple chips with an mirror setup cutting the incoming image in
quarts. a bit overlap maybe could all scroped and even geometry
treated by a simple batch procedure

on the host PC where the disk array snapps in mechanical shutter
you know my personal fetish

Thank you Vance !!

pump it on disks why not maybe I got wild but tell me what's so
wrong with it The beauty with Faeon no bayer artifacts or If you
like take 4 Micron and do this look get the "biggest Pixel" best
light with 4 CCD good low light.... it's only an idea mirrors cutting
down the image in 4 quarts

have nothing found beside astro-physics and so on
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