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Old March 10th, 2005, 12:35 PM   #2626
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Nobody will record audio on camera?
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Old March 10th, 2005, 12:47 PM   #2627
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Well . . .

There's always double-system sound, which is the "pro" way of doing things, especially for a film person like yourself ;)
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Old March 10th, 2005, 03:06 PM   #2628
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I wouldn't count on using the new X-Box system at all for such an operation.
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Old March 10th, 2005, 07:53 PM   #2629
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Yes, sure.But these camera systems look more like a cheap one in all thing for the average budget guy.....
So I think Audio (on camera) is not a crazy thing.....
If we were heading exclusively for Top quality then we couldn't pretend to pay 10 grands for it, cause bill of materials would be more than that....
Anyway the price/performance ratio of these things beats everything available today......
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Old March 10th, 2005, 11:32 PM   #2630
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Yes, lots of businesses run around with minidv codec cameras prosumer (even pd170) cameras trying to erk out a living. These systems can compete with those and beat the quality of the Eng cameras, who are another market again. People on this level might like to try a bit of amateur indie. So I am not a cinema nut (yet!) so to me it makes sense to sell to all these people and lower manufacturing costs by extra volume.

So audio on camera, and even xbox2, are good attempts to lower costs for this market. When we get around to the run and shoot software. Bill of materials (leaving out lighting and set design etc) is very low. We can expect $500-$1000 camera head for this market. If Gigbe or firewire, or USB2.0, or UWB, then we are getting close to $500 laptop territory. Now we add capture/editor, let's just imagine a freeware linux package (rather than cheap software for $200-$300), extra $99 VGA display, extra battery/solar power panel, and 35mm adaptor with old $50 lenses (with electronic controls, or CCTV lens). So the min cost is close to the lowest price for the HD1.
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Old March 11th, 2005, 10:58 AM   #2631
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Which, I think, is exactly what this market is looking for.
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Old March 11th, 2005, 11:13 AM   #2632
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running circles working on datasave..pain in the ass ..but it looks like we make headway with the RAID setup instead of twin disk save....jsut testing testing testing...more later...seems like things NEVER work as we wish!!
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Old March 11th, 2005, 12:10 PM   #2633
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They would, on a Playstation, or an Apple, I am not going to say xbox, to many PC roots. You'll get there, just a PIB to program around PC problems.

Ideal computer: one hi-speed (1Kb/s-10+GB/s) serial bus interface through a few sockets and wireless ports, processor/co-processor/s, memory, storage, thats it, that's all that is needed (display, sound, keyboard disks, cameras can all go through serial interfaces). All this PC stuff is mostly outdated rubbish, with manufactures producing differing versions of each part of it. The way it hangs compatable is by scaling back potential and writing huge amounts of software/hardware to cover up the incompatibilities (sic). The day, hopefully, is coming.

All the Linux developers should look at the model I suggested above, and realise there job would be at least ten times easier (you can tell my Pc has been giving me trouble again, can't you ;).

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Finally, dual processor VIA, GigE:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...530#post285530
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Old March 11th, 2005, 03:14 PM   #2634
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<<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : running circles working on datasave..pain in the ass ..but it looks like we make headway with the RAID setup instead of twin disk save....jsut testing testing testing...more later...seems like things NEVER work as we wish!! -->>>

Welcome to product development :-) On the bright side, the more problems you have to work through, the less easy it is for someone to come in and copy your work.

Are you planning to bring your camera to NAB? I'm sure people would be very interested in your progress.
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Old March 11th, 2005, 05:19 PM   #2635
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RAID......mmmm.......
I hope not to hear in a couple of days that you are recording in an .AVI container....
Anyway good luck. :)
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Old March 11th, 2005, 07:30 PM   #2636
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Woohhhh!! Now this is cool i am on my phone posting on this board!! Got a internet phone service!
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Old March 14th, 2005, 08:43 AM   #2637
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hey guyz dont want to bother this forum, but i posted a question under alternative image methods>high resoultion wireless...

i think you guys can help me out, but i assumed you missed the post?
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Old March 14th, 2005, 09:39 PM   #2638
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Obin, I do not know if this is of any help to your project but just in case it might help you...:
http://www.artray-ap.com/visionsystems.htm
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Old March 14th, 2005, 10:24 PM   #2639
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Obin, do you have any screen grabs or footage you could post from your camera?
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Old March 15th, 2005, 06:40 AM   #2640
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After 2617 post we demand a screen grab! Just one.
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