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Old August 2nd, 2004, 06:53 AM   #136
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0.001... laser...
you start to understand now why these gadget cost the hell to build. I think we reach the point were the usual workbench in the garage is not more of any use.
try some small springs to keep all the stuff in place.
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Old August 2nd, 2004, 07:22 AM   #137
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<<<-- Originally posted by Giroud Francois : 0.001... laser...
you start to understand now why these gadget cost the hell to build. -->>>

Giroud,
A laser pointer can be purchased from gift shops or night market stalls for ~3-5 dollars or for less euros. They come in various flavors, even as keyrings.
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Old August 2nd, 2004, 11:37 AM   #138
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... and i already got so many of them.
They are fine to kick the cat, but i doubt they can be of any use
for chasing the .0001 inch.
When you start to deal with real fine mechanics (i used to deal with micron when i was in tool machining), you need some serious tools.
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Old August 2nd, 2004, 12:10 PM   #139
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The laser idea is good. Just looking at a distant object using the GG shiny side does the same thing, really, but the laser would make it easy to actually measure the thing.
Springs: I am already taking the bearing lash out by using a pair of magnets and steel disks.
I don't think I need 0.0001 tolerance. Just a bit better than what I have now.

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Old August 4th, 2004, 09:28 AM   #140
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ground glass

hi everyone I just recived a piece of 5x9 ground glass from ebay seller .It looks real good. he has quite a few pieces. my winning bid was about ten dollars. I tried to have a circle cut once ,it has to be perfect. but maybe this could be of use. please let's share this.




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...830724092&rd=1
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Old August 7th, 2004, 04:57 AM   #141
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I now have my GG orbiter working. I redid the shafts and made them longer. There is no noticeable image vibration or shift, and it looks like it holds HD focus now. My GG has some rather gross pits in it when viewed static, but those look like they are gone when it's moving. I have no corrective optics to minimize the center hot spot, and I flip the image in the computer.

This weekend I will post a link to some video which I'll shoot on Sat.

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Old August 7th, 2004, 07:38 PM   #142
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Whats the target size your actually focusing on?
It should be 36mm X 24mm but without corrective optics you might have to zoom in farther than that.
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Old August 8th, 2004, 01:27 AM   #143
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here is my first test.

OK, my first test footage is up. Media9 and Mpeg2, both the same test. See the new thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...863#post209863

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Old August 26th, 2004, 04:48 PM   #144
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Heey!!

I'm preparing to give this oscillating adapter a try, but I'm unsure if it's possible to oscillate my GG condenser, since it might be too heavy..

.. but let's say I get around this somehow ( a more powerful motor ? ), do you think I would see some wierd optical distortion because I'm oscillating my last condenser? .. I'm thinking it will scatter the incoming light all over the place .. resulting in a hotspot .. but I'm just guessing! .. anyone know for sure?
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Old August 26th, 2004, 05:34 PM   #145
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Yes it will. Dont do it.
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Old August 26th, 2004, 05:50 PM   #146
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alright, brett, thanks for clearing that up!

by the way, do you have any footage with your orbiter in action ? I'm very curious!
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Old August 26th, 2004, 06:19 PM   #147
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I've been too busy to work on it lately. Trust me as soon as its done I'll post it for you guys.

About vibrating the condenser dont do it for all the reasons you mentioned. The way to do it is make the GG and the Condenser two seperate pieces and rotate the GG only. This will solve all of your problems. This is also how the Mini35 works.
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Old August 30th, 2004, 02:49 PM   #148
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Counterbalances

How have you guys been working out how much mass to be offset for the counterbalances? What are you basing these calculations on? As small as they seem to be, it seems too easy to over compensate and cause instability and vibration.
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Old August 31st, 2004, 12:27 PM   #149
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Re: Counterbalances

I just guessed on my first pass. I could see calculating the correct amount, but there are other things I would redesign before I make a new version.
The vibration I had on my first test, which I posted a while ago, is reduced when it is mounted in a more secure manner.
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<<<-- Originally posted by Brandt Wilson : How have you guys been working out how much mass to be offset for the counterbalances? What are you basing these calculations on? As small as they seem to be, it seems too easy to over compensate and cause instability and vibration. -->>>
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Old August 31st, 2004, 06:20 PM   #150
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Is it possible to mount the motor on the same stationary plate as the three other bearing/shaft/counterweight assemblies? Sort of taking the place of one of the corners in the 4 shaft design. One possible problem is that the motor may get in the way of some of the optical components. You could always make the spacing between shafts a bit larger, but because of the larger overall design, that may defeat the purpose of having all of the stationary components on a single plate. I'm also assuming that the motor would have to have an offset shaft, or be fit into some sort of pin which would offset things appropriately so that the motor wouldn't get beat up. P+S probably went through all of the variations that have been talked about in this thread, and ended up with the one they're using because it seems to be the most efficient and stable design.

Les, your footage looks really nice. Especially under the conditions which the assembly was mounted. Are you using a condenser in that shot, or are you just shooting through your GG and primary lens?
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