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Old December 29th, 2004, 07:57 PM   #31
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The Phantom costs around $ 95,000.
I got a quotation for it.
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Old December 29th, 2004, 08:01 PM   #32
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Woooops! Maybe a 95% discount will help.
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Old January 3rd, 2005, 03:45 AM   #33
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Keep in mind that such gear is targated to the PROFESSIONAL
world. 95K is pretty cheap there, especially for such a system!

It isn't targeted for the con-/prosumer market!
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Old January 3rd, 2005, 07:43 PM   #34
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<<<-- Originally posted by Juan M. M. Fiebelkorn : The Phantom costs around $ 95,000.
I got a quotation for it. -->>>

can you tell us WHICH phantom camera is quoted?
i can see that there are more cameras...

and 95K? on their site i also saw 95K but that was just "speed limit"sign.

take a look:
(scroll a bit down)

http://www.visiblesolutions.com/phantomv5.html

he, he is this a concidence? ;)

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Old January 3rd, 2005, 10:10 PM   #35
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If you don't like it, it is easy.Send them a mail and ask for a quotation.
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Old January 4th, 2005, 04:01 AM   #36
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to Juan

no, no...

please do not treat my previous mail so seriously.

first part of my mail was, i should say "normal" - i just asked about other models - since you said that certain model was for 95K. nothing else. i thought you could know more then us. since you asked them for the prices etc.

second part of my mail was more joke like -

i just saw coincidence between your mentioned price and sign on their site where also 95K is mentioned, but in different context.
(it says: speed limit 95k per second)

sorry if you find that somehow attacking. this was NOT my intention at all.

thank you,

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Old January 4th, 2005, 02:11 PM   #37
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ohh.no problem! :)
I thought you were saying the price was wrong.Maybe now with all these new high speed cameras coming out they get cheaper.
The model was the last one.Don't remember if it was Phantom 7 or Phantom 9.
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Old January 4th, 2005, 02:45 PM   #38
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Good effort, maybe some prices on these cameras people are ralking about.

The whole sale price of the IBIS5a sensor is around 100 eruo, so if you look around you might find somebody that will sell a camera head for $500. There are many lists to look up these things. The cameralink standards organisation has links to companies. Capture board companies have lists with even more companies, then there is the astro list above etc. But for X hunderd of dollers more you can get the high speed version of the FillF and Micron sensors which optically are much better (as far as I know). Even though these sensors can go several hundered FPS global shutter (I think) you don't need use it and make a expensive capture system. A relatively cheap camera system could be made using one of these sensors at a low frame rate instead. As far as I remember these sensors costed several hundered dollers, but that is old information, the ibis5a has been dropping in price quiet a bit, maybe these are to. So it is possible that we could be looking at a low speed camera head for $1500 or less. Then again I could be totally wrong on pricing and it is still more.

The truth is for cheap quality cmos cameras there are very few chioces, apart from Fillf and Micron. I would suggest www.smalcamera.com. Even if they don't have what your after they could make it (including the sensor).

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Old January 4th, 2005, 02:58 PM   #39
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Wayne,

Just wanted to check that link for smallcamera.com, I followed it and there is only a site under construction
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Old January 4th, 2005, 10:19 PM   #40
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I was looking at some sample frames from the Pixelink PL-A742 camera:
http://66.148.40.196/uploads/PL-A742...S125-GMoff.bmp
I noticed a VERY strong "chromatic aberration" artifact. I was told by a Pixelink rep that that is a "normal" CMOS/lens artifact and the chart was shot with a cheap lens. AFAIK, a better lens will allow this kind of artifacts to be even more noticeable, especially with high contrast subjects. Any thoughts on this?
Looking at the chart there is no way to use this on any HD or even SD system.
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Old January 4th, 2005, 10:55 PM   #41
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Wow that is a new PixeLink camera..I would try that one out..I bet it's got the Micron chip..not to good but not as bad as IbiS5
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Old January 4th, 2005, 11:05 PM   #42
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Hi guys,
I looked at this Pixelink model a while back; it uses an IBIS5A sensor so all the regular problems would apply. That said, the Drake uses an IBIS5A so depending on the A/D converters it might still be an option.
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Old January 5th, 2005, 12:06 AM   #43
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The pixelink camera has an IBIS5 chip with 6.7micron pixels. I will speak tomorrow with a tech from a local distributor about it.
The Micron chips are also very interesting, though they are much larger (12micron pixels) with a diagonal size of 19.67mm (between s16 and 35mm gate)... Sweet, very sweet:
http://www.micron.com/products/imagi...s/MT9M413.html
I wonder if there are any camera heads made around this chip (I think that Basler A-500 series).
I still would like to know your thoughts about the chromatic aberration displayed by the Pixelink.
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Old January 5th, 2005, 06:26 AM   #44
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I guess that chromatic aberrations you see are in part because of really bad optics.The rest is caused by a crappy debayering algorithm
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Old January 5th, 2005, 12:02 PM   #45
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There has been a lot of talk about the IBIS5 on the forum, the problems with the sensor seem to revolve around needing to much light and getting 24 fps with decent exposure times so I would be inclined to agree with Juan about the optics and debayering.
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