canon S2 IS @ dpreview movie clip ? at DVinfo.net

Kurth Bousman · June 21st, 2005, 05:06 PM

Phil calls the movie mode "stunning " and has a clip that looks pretty nice. What do you think ?

Rob Lohman · June 22nd, 2005, 04:25 AM

Do you mean the movie on this page?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons2is/page6.asp

Keith Wakeham · June 22nd, 2005, 06:38 AM

Even though its only 640 x 480 and it was taken with a stills camera I have got to say WOW. That has got to be the best video I have seen taken by a still camera yet, definetly a nice camera to look at for home use.

15 Mbps - now thats still camera video for you

almost 1/2" sensor, wonder if it is windowing or binning to make the video file - any ideas?

Kurth Bousman · June 22nd, 2005, 10:46 AM

yea, that's it Rob. what do think ? I think it's sampling the whole sensor - obviously to have same field of view as the still function. What if canon was able to employ this function on a 20d like sensor w/720 or 1080 video out ? Now that might shake up things. It's got to be around one of these corners.Compact flash cards are alot cheaper than the p2 solution and are here now. Kurth

Ben Syverson · June 22nd, 2005, 10:54 AM

This looks exactly the same as the movie mode on my Canon SD400, which I can fit into my pocket. (Although you can't zoom while filming on the SD400, but that's not my style in any event.)

The video is great outdoors, but a bit noisy indoors. The noise kind of looks like grain, so I don't mind it, but it's definitely not up to par with my old GL1.

But because it's so small, I take my SD400 literally everywhere I go, so I always have a camcorder tucked away somewhere. I've owned dozens of still cameras, including many classic photochemical cameras (my Minox spy cam was my favorite for a while), but this is by far my favorite of them all.

- ben

Jed Williamson · June 22nd, 2005, 11:21 AM

Wowwww, the progressive video clip is fantastic. Could you imagine what a freak show this camera would be if they created a 24P mode? People would totally go nuts.

Kurth,

I hope you are right & it is right around the corner.

Valeriu Campan · June 23rd, 2005, 08:31 AM

As the camera is capable of 15 or 30 fps, a simple firmware update or hack could deliver the 24/25 fps nirvana for less than $500.

Wonder what the XL3 will look like. Unlike Sony, JVC, Panasonic, they (Canon) have no investments in tape stock production, decks, so... no baby to kill. If this camera can deliver 30fps on a single SD card, I am very tempted to bet that their new digicam will be D2D and at a much lower price than the tape based models.

Chris Hurd · June 23rd, 2005, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Syverson

This looks exactly the same as the movie mode on my Canon SD400, which I can fit into my pocket.

It is exactly the same because both the S2 IS and the SD400 as well as other current PowerShot digicams are using Canon's DIGIC II processor. Any other current PowerShot equipped with DIGIC II will deliver video quality identical to the S2 IS at VGA size and 30fps up to six minutes per shot. The advantage of the S2 IS is the long lens, image stabilization, ability to zoom during the shot, and stereo sound recording.

Jed Williamson · June 23rd, 2005, 10:09 AM

Would these camera's be able to do 25fps? What happens to poor Pal land people that want to take video with their still camera's, are they stuck with 15 or 30 fps only?

Chris Hurd · June 23rd, 2005, 03:57 PM

All PowerShot digicams are NTSC / PAL switchable for the purpose of playing back images and movies on NTSC or PAL televisions and monitors.

Jed Williamson · June 23rd, 2005, 10:54 PM

http://www.canon.co.uk/for_home/prod...ex.asp?specs=1

Sorry, but even there uk website says its 30fps.

Movies
(L)640 x 480, 30/15fps (M)320 x 240, 30/15fps
Movie Length
Up to 1GB or 60 min.

However, this is a cool note ->

Firmware Update Update possible by the user

Matthew Wauhkonen · June 23rd, 2005, 11:36 PM

Canon should make a 1080p sensor using the CMOS technology they've developed for the digital rebel. The digital rebel xt is amazing, and the sensor can't be too expensive--they sell these things for 800 dollars with lens (on sale at dell's site from time to time at this price.)

They could even make a 2/3'' sensor with CMOS...the only reason they don't use it in point and shoots is because it requires larger photosites, but in a 2/3'' hd chip it would work great.

Chris Hurd · June 24th, 2005, 07:41 AM

It would work great unless there's no way to clear the gates fast enough to allow 24fps at full res... those sensors are optimized for photo, not video.

Jef Bryant · June 28th, 2005, 12:54 AM

I liked what I saw in the clip, so I took a look at the manual to see how limited the movie mode is.

The "My Colors" photo effect menu is available in movie mode. I assume you can only use one preset at a time, but there are settings for less sharpening, less contrast, and many other color effects.

(the regular contrast, sharpening, and saturation controls are not available).

You can lock the exposure and then adjust it up or down.

"Super Macro" mode is available but regular macro is not. (?)

Of course, manual, focus, zoom and image stabilization are all available.

Someone go ahead and do that "simple firmware hack" mentioned above to give it 24p! I mean, if it's simple...

Stephen Chan · June 29th, 2005, 05:02 PM

At 640x480 30fps, are there any dropouts? Also, is there potential to use higher capacity storage medium rather than SD card?

June 21st, 2005, 05:06 PM	#1
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	canon S2 IS @ dpreview movie clip ? Phil calls the movie mode "stunning " and has a clip that looks pretty nice. What do you think ?

June 22nd, 2005, 04:25 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Do you mean the movie on this page? http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons2is/page6.asp __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 22nd, 2005, 10:54 AM	#5
Ben Syverson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 434	Nothing new This looks exactly the same as the movie mode on my Canon SD400, which I can fit into my pocket. (Although you can't zoom while filming on the SD400, but that's not my style in any event.) The video is great outdoors, but a bit noisy indoors. The noise kind of looks like grain, so I don't mind it, but it's definitely not up to par with my old GL1. But because it's so small, I take my SD400 literally everywhere I go, so I always have a camcorder tucked away somewhere. I've owned dozens of still cameras, including many classic photochemical cameras (my Minox spy cam was my favorite for a while), but this is by far my favorite of them all. - ben

June 23rd, 2005, 08:31 AM	#7
Valeriu Campan Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 223	Firmware update or hack can bring 24fps nirvana As the camera is capable of 15 or 30 fps, a simple firmware update or hack could deliver the 24/25 fps nirvana for less than $500. Wonder what the XL3 will look like. Unlike Sony, JVC, Panasonic, they (Canon) have no investments in tape stock production, decks, so... no baby to kill. If this camera can deliver 30fps on a single SD card, I am very tempted to bet that their new digicam will be D2D and at a much lower price than the tape based models.

June 23rd, 2005, 03:57 PM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	All PowerShot digicams are NTSC / PAL switchable for the purpose of playing back images and movies on NTSC or PAL televisions and monitors. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 22nd, 2005, 06:38 AM	#3
Keith Wakeham Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: St. John's, NL, Canada Posts: 416	Even though its only 640 x 480 and it was taken with a stills camera I have got to say WOW. That has got to be the best video I have seen taken by a still camera yet, definetly a nice camera to look at for home use. 15 Mbps - now thats still camera video for you almost 1/2" sensor, wonder if it is windowing or binning to make the video file - any ideas?

June 22nd, 2005, 10:46 AM	#4
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	yea, that's it Rob. what do think ? I think it's sampling the whole sensor - obviously to have same field of view as the still function. What if canon was able to employ this function on a 20d like sensor w/720 or 1080 video out ? Now that might shake up things. It's got to be around one of these corners.Compact flash cards are alot cheaper than the p2 solution and are here now. Kurth

June 22nd, 2005, 11:21 AM	#6
Jed Williamson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 175	Wowwww, the progressive video clip is fantastic. Could you imagine what a freak show this camera would be if they created a 24P mode? People would totally go nuts. Kurth, I hope you are right & it is right around the corner.

June 23rd, 2005, 10:09 AM	#9
Jed Williamson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 175	Would these camera's be able to do 25fps? What happens to poor Pal land people that want to take video with their still camera's, are they stuck with 15 or 30 fps only?

June 23rd, 2005, 10:54 PM	#11
Jed Williamson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 175	http://www.canon.co.uk/for_home/prod...ex.asp?specs=1 Sorry, but even there uk website says its 30fps. Movies (L)640 x 480, 30/15fps (M)320 x 240, 30/15fps Movie Length Up to 1GB or 60 min. However, this is a cool note -> Firmware Update Update possible by the user

June 23rd, 2005, 11:36 PM	#12
Matthew Wauhkonen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 285	Canon should make a 1080p sensor using the CMOS technology they've developed for the digital rebel. The digital rebel xt is amazing, and the sensor can't be too expensive--they sell these things for 800 dollars with lens (on sale at dell's site from time to time at this price.) They could even make a 2/3'' sensor with CMOS...the only reason they don't use it in point and shoots is because it requires larger photosites, but in a 2/3'' hd chip it would work great.

June 24th, 2005, 07:41 AM	#13
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	It would work great unless there's no way to clear the gates fast enough to allow 24fps at full res... those sensors are optimized for photo, not video. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 28th, 2005, 12:54 AM	#14
Jef Bryant Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 31	I liked what I saw in the clip, so I took a look at the manual to see how limited the movie mode is. The "My Colors" photo effect menu is available in movie mode. I assume you can only use one preset at a time, but there are settings for less sharpening, less contrast, and many other color effects. (the regular contrast, sharpening, and saturation controls are not available). You can lock the exposure and then adjust it up or down. "Super Macro" mode is available but regular macro is not. (?) Of course, manual, focus, zoom and image stabilization are all available. Someone go ahead and do that "simple firmware hack" mentioned above to give it 24p! I mean, if it's simple...

June 29th, 2005, 05:02 PM	#15
Stephen Chan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 26	At 640x480 30fps, are there any dropouts? Also, is there potential to use higher capacity storage medium rather than SD card?