Micro35 + Andromeda DVX100 footage.... at DVinfo.net

Juan P. Pertierra · July 26th, 2005, 01:35 PM

Hello,

One of our Andromeda Beta testers recently took an uncompressed test clip using the micro35 adapter:

http://www.reel-stream.com/beta

I'm interested in hearing opinions on how this output looks compared to what you've all seen before.

Cheers,
Juan

Andrew Burke · July 26th, 2005, 05:54 PM

Juan,

When the clip came up I said, "Daaaang". I think it's a natural progression to pair a 35mm unit with your Andromeda.

peace,
andrew

Eniola Akintoye · July 26th, 2005, 06:29 PM

That clip was clean.
Seems like something that came out of an HD camera.

I guess I need to check out the Micro35 adapter then.

Bill Porter · July 26th, 2005, 09:42 PM

Very nice clip, Juan. Can't wait to see your products become available. Amazing what kind of power is locked in the DVX!

What lens was that shot with, by the way? It had a ton of focus breathing.

Again, real nice clip.

Juan P. Pertierra · July 27th, 2005, 02:02 PM

Hello,

It was a Canon SLR lens:

Canon 28-135 zoom SLR glass f3.5-5.6

Cheers,
Juan

Jacques Mersereau · July 27th, 2005, 02:22 PM

IMHO, you should redo this clip Juan as the jitter and shake is really distracting and not what a professional would use as a demo for
a product with these pro capabilities.

What I am looking for is the fine fine detail and that detail is
getting very messed up by the shakey cam.

Dan Diaconu · July 27th, 2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacques Mersereau

IMHO, you should redo this clip Juan as the jitter and shake is really distracting and not what a professional would use as a demo for a product with these pro capabilities.What I am looking for is the fine fine detail and that detail is getting very messed up by the shakey cam.

Juan, put together my private email with the previous post. I rest my case.

Juan P. Pertierra · July 27th, 2005, 04:00 PM

I understand your concerns but this is not meant to be a proffessional demo. This is literally the first test this beta tester did with the micro35 and Andromeda. It's not meant to be a demo-reel for either product.

As far as I know, this is the first(or one of the few?) footage ever shot uncompressed with a 35mm adapter, we figured we'd post it.

As soon as we have more footage that's shot more carefully we will post it as well.

Cheers,
Juan

Matt Champagne · July 27th, 2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

IMHO, you should redo this clip Juan as the jitter and shake is really distracting and not what a professional would use as a demo for
a product with these pro capabilities.

That may be true...but I much prefer to see something than have to wait around for the perfect clip. At the very least you get to see that the mod is up and running at 24p, and producing some good imaging results...and that the micro35 still works well at higher resolutions.

Dan Diaconu · July 27th, 2005, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Champagne

...and that the micro35 still works well at higher resolutions.

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Taking out of the equation the SLR lens (Canon @5.6; can not be all THAT bad, could it? I had a sharper image in 720/480 in the early tests from a lesser rank zoom: Access? 3.8-5.6/28-200! (who-ever-made-it for Minolta) and also leaving out the camcorder's lens (because I have seen sharper stills/footage straight from the DVX ALONE at this high resolution!) makes me wonder... what else is there to soften the image that bad? (Obviously, the vigneting adds "production value" enriching the "film look feeling"....)
PS.
I think is time for me to write a book: "How to make new friends with each post on a forum". I have enough credit as an "expert" in the field, so....it should sell good, shouldn’t it? (;-)<

Jacques Mersereau · July 27th, 2005, 06:43 PM

Quote:

That may be true...but I much prefer to see something than have to wait around for the perfect clip.

First, let me congratulate Juan! I know you've worked hard on
everything. You are an amazing guy who's actually doing something real.
I know how maddening it is to work hard and still get *%(@.

I want you to know Juan that I am trying to help . . . really.
I've been in the 'biz' now for 25 years.
One of the first things you are told or learn is the old,
"you never get a second chance on a first impression."

Avoid demonstrating anything that has problems and hope your judges
will forgive them. People don't accept explanations and do not believe
excuses such as, "Well, we just did this quick . . ."
Those who can afford to take a monetary chance with your new technology
will want to know (and should perceive) you are a perfectionist
who's product is rock solid.

Do not confuse the audience if you can help it, i.e. "breathing focus."
Do NOT let the impatient push you off a cliff,
i.e "I'd rather see something (even shakey cam) than wait around
24 hours . ."

If you do not have the time to do it right imo, wait. Wait until you
have the time to do it well. Don't supply the critics with any ammo
if you can help it.

Okay, lecture over and pass the beer!!!

Bill Porter · July 27th, 2005, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacques Mersereau

Do not confuse the audience if you can help it, i.e. "breathing focus."

Nobody was confused. I just asked what lens, that's all. If I didn't know what focus breathing was I wouldn't have even known how to ask.

Again, Juan, great video.

And I think everybody posting here is missing the other point: the color space. Looks real nice.

Jacques Mersereau · July 27th, 2005, 07:48 PM

Well, if that was breathing focus, then I am confused ;)

Dan Diaconu · July 27th, 2005, 07:56 PM

Thank you Jacques for reinforcing and explaining part of my post. I am so convinced of the exceptional value of Andromeda,(BRAVO JUAN!) that I offered to BUY one beta or.. EXCHANGE it for a prototype of the image converter I made. I do not have (and I do not like) the DVX, but I was willing to buy one just for your system!! It did not happen (no hard feelings, I know what is like to prototype!) but I am anxious to get one when becomes available.

Dan Diaconu · July 28th, 2005, 02:00 AM

I think is just nicer to apologize for my cynicism from the previous post. I may be tired of this whole thing and when I see too much enthusiasm for stuff not that exciting (to my eyes) I tend to boil (at lower temperatures) Sorry Redrock, I have done "your way" 25 months ago (when I did not even know of DVI and all this) but I did not find it that exciting (not to mention worth taking it to market) I have added one more clip (1.6M) on my site: (check out the date)
http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/albums...ning_glass.wmv
Again, apologies to micro 35 for the previous comment. I think I should just ignore all messages for a while (I can’t change anything and I am not of much help here)

July 26th, 2005, 01:35 PM	#1
Juan P. Pertierra Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 479	Micro35 + Andromeda DVX100 footage.... Hello, One of our Andromeda Beta testers recently took an uncompressed test clip using the micro35 adapter: http://www.reel-stream.com/beta I'm interested in hearing opinions on how this output looks compared to what you've all seen before. Cheers, Juan

July 27th, 2005, 02:22 PM	#6
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	IMHO, you should redo this clip Juan as the jitter and shake is really distracting and not what a professional would use as a demo for a product with these pro capabilities. What I am looking for is the fine fine detail and that detail is getting very messed up by the shakey cam. __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager

July 27th, 2005, 07:48 PM	#13
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	Well, if that was breathing focus, then I am confused ;) __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager

July 27th, 2005, 07:56 PM	#14
Dan Diaconu Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 804	Thank you Jacques for reinforcing and explaining part of my post. I am so convinced of the exceptional value of Andromeda,(BRAVO JUAN!) that I offered to BUY one beta or.. EXCHANGE it for a prototype of the image converter I made. I do not have (and I do not like) the DVX, but I was willing to buy one just for your system!! It did not happen (no hard feelings, I know what is like to prototype!) but I am anxious to get one when becomes available. Last edited by Dan Diaconu; July 28th, 2005 at 02:14 AM.

July 26th, 2005, 05:54 PM	#2
Andrew Burke New Boot Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portland, OR./ San Francisco, CA. Posts: 10	Juan, When the clip came up I said, "Daaaang". I think it's a natural progression to pair a 35mm unit with your Andromeda. peace, andrew

July 26th, 2005, 06:29 PM	#3
Eniola Akintoye Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Duluth GA Posts: 238	That clip was clean. Seems like something that came out of an HD camera. I guess I need to check out the Micro35 adapter then.

July 26th, 2005, 09:42 PM	#4
Bill Porter Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ventura, California, USA Posts: 751	Very nice clip, Juan. Can't wait to see your products become available. Amazing what kind of power is locked in the DVX! What lens was that shot with, by the way? It had a ton of focus breathing. Again, real nice clip.

July 27th, 2005, 02:02 PM	#5
Juan P. Pertierra Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 479	Hello, It was a Canon SLR lens: Canon 28-135 zoom SLR glass f3.5-5.6 Cheers, Juan

July 27th, 2005, 04:00 PM	#8
Juan P. Pertierra Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 479	I understand your concerns but this is not meant to be a proffessional demo. This is literally the first test this beta tester did with the micro35 and Andromeda. It's not meant to be a demo-reel for either product. As far as I know, this is the first(or one of the few?) footage ever shot uncompressed with a 35mm adapter, we figured we'd post it. As soon as we have more footage that's shot more carefully we will post it as well. Cheers, Juan

July 28th, 2005, 02:00 AM	#15
Dan Diaconu Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 804	I think is just nicer to apologize for my cynicism from the previous post. I may be tired of this whole thing and when I see too much enthusiasm for stuff not that exciting (to my eyes) I tend to boil (at lower temperatures) Sorry Redrock, I have done "your way" 25 months ago (when I did not even know of DVI and all this) but I did not find it that exciting (not to mention worth taking it to market) I have added one more clip (1.6M) on my site: (check out the date) http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/albums...ning_glass.wmv Again, apologies to micro 35 for the previous comment. I think I should just ignore all messages for a while (I can’t change anything and I am not of much help here)