Has somebody made a mini35 style adapter for the XL2 or is the P+S the only option?

Marco Leavitt · August 9th, 2005, 10:56 AM

Jonathan,
I would very much like to see a picture of your product.
How close are you guys to going into production?

Sarena Valilis · August 9th, 2005, 12:59 PM

Michael Maier ---

what type of mounts on your primes????

Michael Maier · August 9th, 2005, 01:20 PM

I have a set of 3 C mount and a couple of SLR type of primes.

Steev Dinkins · August 9th, 2005, 01:23 PM

We at Holy Zoo felt lucky enough to make just one adapter. Heh heh. We aren't in the manufacturing business. But the documentation is there if ya want to try to build one yourself.

I recommend investigating the Micro35 or Guerilla35. Mucho kudos to both companies for venturing to bring low cost 35mm imagers to the market. Not an easy endeavor, so for the $$ they are charging, it's more than worth it.

Jonathan Houser · August 9th, 2005, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Leavitt

Jonathan,
I would very much like to see a picture of your product.
How close are you guys to going into production?

Marco,
Me too :0 That being said, we have not machined up the production unit's. We currently are setting up our contacts for manufacturing. There are some photos of the pre-production "prototypes" floating around the net. I'm no longer posting those, as I do not want to be misleading as to what our production units will look like. I don't care if someone else links to them. The units will be about 4.75" long and weigh less than a lb. I will post the 3D CAD drawings as soon as our last patents get filed (a week or so). Thanks!

Jonathan Houser
www.guerilla35.com

Jonathan Houser · August 9th, 2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Maier

It seems I over looked the complexity of it somehow. The reason I like the idea of having the adapter straight in the lens mount is that way you don't have to film through an extra piece of glass and you don't have to be limited by the resolution of the stock lens.

Yes, and no. You are still going to have to run it through a relay lens. Much fewer elements, but it takes quite a bit of optical knowledge to get a lens assembly that would render an acceptable image. Also, Fast lenses (achromats) are very expensive. You could very well end up spending $600-$1000 on just the relay lens with an iris and whatnot. You could buy one from P+S but that, well, you are looking in the $2k realm.

As for using the XL lens, Steve D is really the person who could answer this best. I believe he uses a 14x manual lens. That way, when you are not using these adapters you still have a nice manual lens to shoot with. Whichever lens you choose, make sure it has a good macro funtionality.

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Originally Posted by Michael Maier

So, what are the commercial adapters available out there for purchase? I don't want to build it myself. I would like one of those ready units. I only know the Holy Zoo so far.
Thanks guys.

Our units are a static solution. You still have the flipped image but you don't have the issue that can arise from a moving focusing screen. No batteries, high shutter speed capabilities, silent operation and extremely durable construction. Check out our site for demo's www.guerilla35.com

Cheers!

Jonathan Houser
www.guerilla35.com

Sarena Valilis · August 9th, 2005, 08:44 PM

Jonathan Houser

just curious..... how much does it cost for a patent att these days???

Michael Maier
i was hoping that you had a plmount... could have worked out a trade of some sort....

Jonathan Houser · August 9th, 2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarena Valilis

Jonathan Houser

just curious..... how much does it cost for a patent att these days???

Michael Maier
i was hoping that you had a plmount... could have worked out a trade of some sort....

Well, The app is one thing. But with attorney fees, and prior art searches, it can get into the tens of thousands of dollars.

Sarena Valilis · August 9th, 2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Houser

... I will post the 3D CAD drawings as soon as our last patents get filed (a week or so). Thanks!

Jonathan Houser
www.guerilla35.com

i thought it was between 6 and 12 k$ depending.... i was surprised to see that you guys were spending that kind of money for something that was already under patent.... unless im missing something, didnt pstechnic already have the device and anything similar protected????

Jonathan Houser · August 10th, 2005, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarena Valilis

i thought it was between 6 and 12 k$ depending.... i was surprised to see that you guys were spending that kind of money for something that was already under patent.... unless im missing something, didnt pstechnic already have the device and anything similar protected????

I can't comment too much on it, but the patent that we already hold protects us plenty.

Quyen Le · August 10th, 2005, 12:04 AM

Michael Maier

If yuo want the adapter that use 35mm lenses on the XL2 without any glass, you may check this out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-FD-mount-l...QQcmdZViewItem

Quyen

Michael Maier · August 10th, 2005, 02:16 AM

Those mechanical adapters multiply the focal length by 7.2 or something, don't they?

Michael Maier · August 10th, 2005, 09:51 AM

Hey Brian,

I have registered in your forums at redrock but am still waiting for the activation. The Micro35 may be a solution for me.

August 9th, 2005, 12:59 PM	#17
Sarena Valilis Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: hollywood , ca USA Posts: 38	prime mounts.... Michael Maier --- what type of mounts on your primes????

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Sarena Valilis Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: hollywood , ca USA Posts: 38	patents??? Jonathan Houser just curious..... how much does it cost for a patent att these days??? Michael Maier i was hoping that you had a plmount... could have worked out a trade of some sort....

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Quyen Le Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 356	Michael Maier If yuo want the adapter that use 35mm lenses on the XL2 without any glass, you may check this out. http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-FD-mount-l...QQcmdZViewItem Quyen __________________ Affordable Adapter http://www.adapterplace.com

August 9th, 2005, 10:56 AM	#16
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	Jonathan, I would very much like to see a picture of your product. How close are you guys to going into production?

August 9th, 2005, 01:20 PM	#18
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	I have a set of 3 C mount and a couple of SLR type of primes.

August 9th, 2005, 01:23 PM	#19
Steev Dinkins Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 613	We at Holy Zoo felt lucky enough to make just one adapter. Heh heh. We aren't in the manufacturing business. But the documentation is there if ya want to try to build one yourself. I recommend investigating the Micro35 or Guerilla35. Mucho kudos to both companies for venturing to bring low cost 35mm imagers to the market. Not an easy endeavor, so for the $$ they are charging, it's more than worth it.

August 10th, 2005, 02:16 AM	#27
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	Those mechanical adapters multiply the focal length by 7.2 or something, don't they?

August 10th, 2005, 09:51 AM	#28
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	Hey Brian, I have registered in your forums at redrock but am still waiting for the activation. The Micro35 may be a solution for me.