Center for Television Technology 1080P framegrab!! at DVinfo.net

Obin Olson · September 26th, 2005, 07:32 AM

Here is the first image I have seen from the guys at the Center fo Televition Technology, I can see they need a better bayer algo. but it's looking good!

http://www.ctt.ru/files/images/HD_Op...moframe001.bmp

and the website:

http://ctt.ru/products/hd/camera/

Obin Olson · September 26th, 2005, 08:10 AM

ha!

I just found this:

http://www.ctt.ru/files/images/HD_Op...moframe002.bmp

and this:

http://www.ctt.ru/files/images/HD_Op...moframe003.bmp

Leo Mandy · September 26th, 2005, 08:55 AM

It looks amazing. Great images Obin! What are they charging for their model HD camera?

Obin Olson · September 26th, 2005, 09:02 AM

not sure yet, I am working on that

Glen Hurd · September 26th, 2005, 09:09 AM

That camera body ROCKS!
(It makes my adaptor look good ;)

G

Obin Olson · September 26th, 2005, 09:14 AM

Hi!
thank You for good words, and i also see this bags, this pictures is no so
good,
and we work on it.
as well, thank You for any hellp in this project, we need as more
information, as possible,
some info about our ideology- first- this picture just from camera, from
HDSDI interface-
but in real work we'll use RAW files from recorder to PC, as well with our
PC bord or with any other,
so You may debayer picture using any algorithm from Adobe- any You like, for
better picture.
(as well our next algoritm will be on new technology, in coooperation with
Moscow State Universaty
http://www.compression.ru/video/demo...ng_filters.pdf)
We use 1" CMOS 4mp custom sensor, (we try to work with many other sensors,
but it too many problems and not enogth speed, our sensor is on the same
technology as ARRi's D20 one.)
just now, we starting with HD size 16/9 in our camera, but with special
order it's possible as 5M with anamorthic lens or 3M with standart PL mount
35mm film lens-they have custom LVDS interface, so it's possible only with
our Flash Recorders)

Obin Olson · September 27th, 2005, 07:11 AM

Obin,
we have several models, base one - HD20 with HDSDI- without LCD, without lens will be 18000 USD
High speed model-HSDC30 with 3M resolution, LCD, HDSDI and HIGH SPEED LVDS to FLash RECORDER- 36000 USD
Base price for FLASH RECORDER with HDSDI 20GB- 4800USD
with HS LVDS 40GB- $12000
next model for High speed HD and Fiber Channel long distance interface will be ready later this year
- $68000 with 4 min HS recorder. and HDSDI base station.
PRIME LENS- 35 mm -5000$ (from our partners ELIT OPTIC, as well, posible any PL mount 35 mm lenses)
VARIO LENS- from- $15000
THIS is end user prices, full price list and models will be ready some later,
now available any model on special order, 3 month delivery time.
Will have plan to show our cameras on NAB show or some cinema show in april-may in USA
First show will be NAT expo in november in Moscow.

so they have stepped up to the plate, you can now get a FULL FRAME 35mm motion picture film sized sensor AND RAW output for under 30grand!! WOW

Obin Olson · September 27th, 2005, 08:12 AM

Base system without LCD, and it work only with HD 1920x1080x24,25,30P
formats YUV, with HDSDI,
as well base FLASH RECORDER also work with standart HDSDI.
for recording RAW You need another model DC30 camera with LVDS connection
and LCD 8" as viewfinder
full set : Camera DC30 with LCD(26000) +FLASH DCFR model ($5300)=$31300
we not tested blackmagic board for RAW format,(will test later) so, you may
need our PC-x board (add 3500)
20G -~ 3 min uncompress video in YUV or 5min RAW.
LOSLESS compression will be available some later as software upgrade FREE,
(add 3 min video)
CMOS has 1' format ~=35mm film
Canon HD-SDI output?? may be SONY? - we use HDSDI as SONY
Cinealta -SMPTE292M
all models of our Flash recorders have HDSDI in/out and up to 160GB-24min HD
($38400)

Obin Olson · September 27th, 2005, 08:19 AM

so will this unit work with the Canon HD camera? if it does that may be a great recorder of the HD-SDI out on the Canon...

Levan Bakhia · September 27th, 2005, 10:18 PM

I personally was there when those frame grabs were recorded. Actually they recorded it, because I went to Moscow to talk to them and they have set up the corner, the ones that you see in the pictures, to demonstrate the camera.

I am purchasing the camera, they promised me to ship one by october the 17th.

I think this is the best camera available at this moment.

You can all watch on TV from your satelites, the Kreml Tennis Tournament, they will use the camera there for slow motion effect.

I will update my feedback when I will own one and upload some clips and works I will do with it, so that you all can evaluate.

Obin Olson · September 28th, 2005, 08:01 AM

Wow, well I would like to see some images when you get the system, maybe even fly out to CA to look at the camera...your in CA right?

I am worried about shooting with no viewfinder...what are your thoughts on that?

Levan Bakhia · September 29th, 2005, 10:48 AM

No, unfortunately I am not in CA, I am in Georgia, but no the state Georgia but Republic of Georgia.

And yes, I am so uncomfortable with shooting without viewfinder, I asked them if they could make one with it, but they said not yet. But I think, that it is just a case of getting used to it.

As I know you have experience with Andromeda, do you like it? Or what is your evaluation? And what's up with your camera, are you going to finish it?

Obin Olson · September 29th, 2005, 07:42 PM

So what size is the cmos on the camera? 2/3rd inch? 35mm?

I was reading on your other thread that it's NOT full 35mm sized?

Alexander Kitaev · October 3rd, 2005, 02:27 AM

Hi All,
first- sorry for my english, next time will write carefully,
about our camera- it CMOS 21mm diagonal sensor, 4/5" (technology limitations...)
So, it have some 20% zoom effect with 35 mm lens, and about 30% on HD1920x1080 picture. I think it's not bad or not good, most important must be picture Quality, our next chip will be real 35mm.
If You need special Lenses for our camera- It's no problem,
place our special order.
about Viewfinder- our first product with 8" LCD TFT - on my mind- it's better, than small one- (better for focusing,)
but if anybody need small one, no problem, we' l do another one-0,8" with SONY chip. (not now, in march 2006)
All new information will be available some later on our site, and new, normal pictures too-)))
we have plane to start shipping in november, but now,some cameras are available for rent (worldwide too)
Best regards,
Alexander Kitaev
CEO
www.ctt.ru

Obin Olson · October 3rd, 2005, 07:50 AM

is that 4/5 of an inch a 20% zoom with Cine lenses? or SLR photo lenses? what would the crop factor be for this 20%??

September 26th, 2005, 07:32 AM	#1
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Center for Television Technology 1080P framegrab!! Here is the first image I have seen from the guys at the Center fo Televition Technology, I can see they need a better bayer algo. but it's looking good! http://www.ctt.ru/files/images/HD_Op...moframe001.bmp and the website: http://ctt.ru/products/hd/camera/

September 26th, 2005, 08:10 AM	#2
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	ha! I just found this: http://www.ctt.ru/files/images/HD_Op...moframe002.bmp and this: http://www.ctt.ru/files/images/HD_Op...moframe003.bmp

September 26th, 2005, 08:55 AM	#3
Leo Mandy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	It looks amazing. Great images Obin! What are they charging for their model HD camera?

September 26th, 2005, 09:02 AM	#4
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	not sure yet, I am working on that

September 26th, 2005, 09:09 AM	#5
Glen Hurd Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Burlington, NJ Posts: 59	That camera body ROCKS! (It makes my adaptor look good ;) G

September 26th, 2005, 09:14 AM	#6
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Hi! thank You for good words, and i also see this bags, this pictures is no so good, and we work on it. as well, thank You for any hellp in this project, we need as more information, as possible, some info about our ideology- first- this picture just from camera, from HDSDI interface- but in real work we'll use RAW files from recorder to PC, as well with our PC bord or with any other, so You may debayer picture using any algorithm from Adobe- any You like, for better picture. (as well our next algoritm will be on new technology, in coooperation with Moscow State Universaty http://www.compression.ru/video/demo...ng_filters.pdf) We use 1" CMOS 4mp custom sensor, (we try to work with many other sensors, but it too many problems and not enogth speed, our sensor is on the same technology as ARRi's D20 one.) just now, we starting with HD size 16/9 in our camera, but with special order it's possible as 5M with anamorthic lens or 3M with standart PL mount 35mm film lens-they have custom LVDS interface, so it's possible only with our Flash Recorders)

September 27th, 2005, 07:11 AM	#7
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Obin, we have several models, base one - HD20 with HDSDI- without LCD, without lens will be 18000 USD High speed model-HSDC30 with 3M resolution, LCD, HDSDI and HIGH SPEED LVDS to FLash RECORDER- 36000 USD Base price for FLASH RECORDER with HDSDI 20GB- 4800USD with HS LVDS 40GB- $12000 next model for High speed HD and Fiber Channel long distance interface will be ready later this year - $68000 with 4 min HS recorder. and HDSDI base station. PRIME LENS- 35 mm -5000$ (from our partners ELIT OPTIC, as well, posible any PL mount 35 mm lenses) VARIO LENS- from- $15000 THIS is end user prices, full price list and models will be ready some later, now available any model on special order, 3 month delivery time. Will have plan to show our cameras on NAB show or some cinema show in april-may in USA First show will be NAT expo in november in Moscow. so they have stepped up to the plate, you can now get a FULL FRAME 35mm motion picture film sized sensor AND RAW output for under 30grand!! WOW

September 27th, 2005, 08:12 AM	#8
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Base system without LCD, and it work only with HD 1920x1080x24,25,30P formats YUV, with HDSDI, as well base FLASH RECORDER also work with standart HDSDI. for recording RAW You need another model DC30 camera with LVDS connection and LCD 8" as viewfinder full set : Camera DC30 with LCD(26000) +FLASH DCFR model ($5300)=$31300 we not tested blackmagic board for RAW format,(will test later) so, you may need our PC-x board (add 3500) 20G -~ 3 min uncompress video in YUV or 5min RAW. LOSLESS compression will be available some later as software upgrade FREE, (add 3 min video) CMOS has 1' format ~=35mm film Canon HD-SDI output?? may be SONY? - we use HDSDI as SONY Cinealta -SMPTE292M all models of our Flash recorders have HDSDI in/out and up to 160GB-24min HD ($38400)

September 27th, 2005, 08:19 AM	#9
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	so will this unit work with the Canon HD camera? if it does that may be a great recorder of the HD-SDI out on the Canon...

September 27th, 2005, 10:18 PM	#10
Levan Bakhia Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 230	I personally was there when those frame grabs were recorded. Actually they recorded it, because I went to Moscow to talk to them and they have set up the corner, the ones that you see in the pictures, to demonstrate the camera. I am purchasing the camera, they promised me to ship one by october the 17th. I think this is the best camera available at this moment. You can all watch on TV from your satelites, the Kreml Tennis Tournament, they will use the camera there for slow motion effect. I will update my feedback when I will own one and upload some clips and works I will do with it, so that you all can evaluate.

September 28th, 2005, 08:01 AM	#11
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Wow, well I would like to see some images when you get the system, maybe even fly out to CA to look at the camera...your in CA right? I am worried about shooting with no viewfinder...what are your thoughts on that?

September 29th, 2005, 10:48 AM	#12
Levan Bakhia Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 230	No, unfortunately I am not in CA, I am in Georgia, but no the state Georgia but Republic of Georgia. And yes, I am so uncomfortable with shooting without viewfinder, I asked them if they could make one with it, but they said not yet. But I think, that it is just a case of getting used to it. As I know you have experience with Andromeda, do you like it? Or what is your evaluation? And what's up with your camera, are you going to finish it?

September 29th, 2005, 07:42 PM	#13
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	So what size is the cmos on the camera? 2/3rd inch? 35mm? I was reading on your other thread that it's NOT full 35mm sized?

October 3rd, 2005, 02:27 AM	#14
Alexander Kitaev New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Moscow Russia Posts: 6	Hi All, first- sorry for my english, next time will write carefully, about our camera- it CMOS 21mm diagonal sensor, 4/5" (technology limitations...) So, it have some 20% zoom effect with 35 mm lens, and about 30% on HD1920x1080 picture. I think it's not bad or not good, most important must be picture Quality, our next chip will be real 35mm. If You need special Lenses for our camera- It's no problem, place our special order. about Viewfinder- our first product with 8" LCD TFT - on my mind- it's better, than small one- (better for focusing,) but if anybody need small one, no problem, we' l do another one-0,8" with SONY chip. (not now, in march 2006) All new information will be available some later on our site, and new, normal pictures too-))) we have plane to start shipping in november, but now,some cameras are available for rent (worldwide too) Best regards, Alexander Kitaev CEO www.ctt.ru

October 3rd, 2005, 07:50 AM	#15
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	is that 4/5 of an inch a 20% zoom with Cine lenses? or SLR photo lenses? what would the crop factor be for this 20%??