Arnold San Diego
May 28th, 2004, 09:25 AM
Thanks for the input George! Now, if I can just settle on which camcorder to buy. :)
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Arnold San Diego
May 28th, 2004, 09:25 AM
Thanks for the input George! Now, if I can just settle on which camcorder to buy. :)
May 28th, 2004, 12:08 PM
Pinnacle supports a product bulletin board. So if you have other questions, they can also help.
July 13th, 2004, 02:27 PM
I received an email from Avid claiming they're "ready" for everything from HDV to uncompressed HD.
I also thought this was interesting:
"Avid Xpress Pro
Native HDV and JVCPRO HD editing plus Avid DNxHD"
(Of course, Avid says it's not shipping yet...But JVCPRO HD??? Do they mean DVCPRO?)
July 14th, 2004, 03:20 PM
No, they mean HDV.
Avid really is excited by HDV. They think it's going to hit big in the way that DV did.
I attended their Experience Avid In Motion tour when it was here in LA and they showed some beautiful shots of autumn scenery on their HD projection system that had the audience buzzing when they revealed that it was HDV. It's their intention to support it natively beginning with Avid Xpress Pro in the next release coming by the end of the year.
July 14th, 2004, 03:27 PM
I just reread your quote "Avid Xpress Pro
Native HDV and JVCPRO HD editing plus Avid DNxHD"
and went to the Avid website. It must have been a typo, because everywhere I looked, it said Native HDV and DVCPRO HD.
They didn't get as much play in the press as Apple did, but at NAB Avid also announced support for DVCPRO HD.
July 22nd, 2004, 12:12 PM
Has anyone found out a way of either producing or adding a blur filter to make the edge of the screen/picture blurred, but as you move towards the center of the screen, there is no blur.....?
Sorry....that sounds rubbish when I read it back, but it's quite tricky to explain...!
I'm after a look that is like looking down a "telescope" or tube, so that the edges are blurred in a circular"template" around the edge of the screen, but the center of the screen is not blurred....
I've played with the blur effect, but can only work out how to do "square" looking blur patterns, and not the edge of the picture, but the whole lot.......
I guess the closest analagy I can think of is when wedding photographers take pictures with "grease" on the outside rim of the lens, it produces exactly the effect I'm after.....
July 22nd, 2004, 03:51 PM
Copy your clip and paste it above itself. Apply the Blur CPU in Realtime Clip FX to the bottom clip. Now apply the MultiShape Crop GPU from the same folder to the top clip. Change the size to suit and in Shape, change the Sides to 40.
You can keyframe or turn them off. You can use the edge softness in the multishape crop to blend it with how much blur you use in the blur fx.
July 24th, 2004, 02:51 AM
Thanks George...just the job !
July 29th, 2004, 10:02 AM
hi, does anyone know where i can download a guide for avid xpress?
July 31st, 2004, 11:27 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England :
They didn't get as much play in the press as Apple did, but at NAB Avid also announced support for DVCPRO HD. -->>>
That's the difference between announcing support and actually delivering it.
The Avid link in the first post makes it seem like they're shipping an HDV solution right now, but a click or two into the site reveals it's an asterisk "*Planned for future release."
August 3rd, 2004, 07:35 AM
I think I've messed up !
I deleted most of the elements of a project to start another one, but now have red bars and exclamation marks everywhere in my racks for sound files and title decko's etc.....!
On the timeline, it plays nothing apart from the big "!"
If I right click and "Open with titledecko".....the title opens fine, but is not recoginised on the timeline.....
Can anyone suggest anything?
August 3rd, 2004, 08:21 AM
Premiere? What version?
See this thread on project files (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29810)
Not saved any older versions I presume?
August 3rd, 2004, 09:23 AM
Sorry.....! I'm using Liquid Edition.
August 3rd, 2004, 09:33 AM
No problem. I've changed the thread's title for you to indicate
this to hopefully attract a few more people. Not a lot of people
here are using LE to the best of my knowledge.
August 3rd, 2004, 01:15 PM
Have you tried Using the Project Clean up function of LE. Don't know if it will solve your problem but its worth a try.
You access Clean up through the Trashcan icon on the LE desktop.
August 4th, 2004, 02:47 AM
I use Avid xpress pro 4.3 , I like editing with it but I can’t find a way to exporting it to DVD. I’ve tried to use QT ref. sending it to Sonic dvdit or Tempgen (for the Authoring I prefer DVD lab) but the result was unacceptable. Even if I try to see the QT ref. through a QT browser it looks bad. Exporting to Qt regular file did not help ether (and cost a lot of space).
What could be the problem? What would you suggest?
For now I copy the sequence to a dv camera (I do it any way for backup) then recapture it with Sonic mydvd that makes an mpeg out of it, then author it with dvd-lab and burn it with it – It works but there must be a better way.
August 4th, 2004, 07:42 AM
Try TMPGEnc (Google it). A trial is available - and it's inexpensive. Very high quality MPG encoder.
August 4th, 2004, 08:55 AM
Did you not get a copy of Sorenson Squeeze? I assume you have the student version of Avid? Sorenson is a great compressor, and highly reccomended by Avid.
August 4th, 2004, 12:40 PM
Well as, I’ve wrote, I have tried Tempgen and it didn't get a good result in this case. I think that the problem begin with Avid and it's QT reference file - as I've mentioned, viewing it even wit QT 6 browser gives poor result.
Have you experienced Tempgen or Sorenson squeeze with Avid (exporting as QT ref)?
August 8th, 2004, 09:57 AM
I have installed Sorenson and the result seems to be good (much better then any test I have made before with other programs). Still I have to complete the test by burning it to dvd and test on TV.
However installing the Sorenson invoke an error in my win xp file explorer – the explorer crash each time I select a file (any file) with an MPG extension (Uninstalling Sorenson fix the problem).
August 13th, 2004, 09:54 AM
Avid Technology, Inc. (NASDAQ: AVID) today announced that it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire Midiman, Inc., doing business as M-Audio – a leading provider of digital audio and MIDI solutions for electronic musicians and audio professionals. At closing, Avid will pay approximately $80 million in cash, issue approximately 2 million shares of Avid common stock, and assume all outstanding M-Audio stock options.Full press release. (http://www.avid.com/company/releases/2004/040813_maudio.html)
August 13th, 2004, 09:56 AM
wow. Considering they already own degidesign and ProTools... that's quite a chunk.
Douglas Spotted Eagle
August 13th, 2004, 02:16 PM
Avid is acquiring M-Audio for $80M. M-Audio will run as an Avid division. M-Audio will not move from Irwindale. Digidesign will continue to distribute the Focusright products, interesting changes overall...
August 13th, 2004, 04:21 PM
You must have deleted the project media files (your original, captured source) from that project. The exclamation point means that LE doesn't can't find the media to playback. The red bars in the slices on your timeline mean that the clip hasn't been rendered; if you've deleted your original media, LE can't render it.
You may need to recapture your source.
Hope this helps.
August 13th, 2004, 06:13 PM
What? Is Avid trying to battle Cisco for the "Aquisition Title"
As long as Avid leave M-Audio alone it'll be cool. Let'em do there thing and add in PTLE support and you have a winner.
I sense some more aquisitions coming in that Audio or Video areas. Who's going to be next?
August 13th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Cool, now I guess I have a pair of Avid speakers....
August 14th, 2004, 10:48 PM
All I can say is.... This is bad news for afforadble quality audio. Guess I better get those lx4s' before Avid quadruple the price.
August 17th, 2004, 07:42 AM
<<<-- Originally posted by Joe Carney : All I can say is.... This is bad news for afforadble quality audio. Guess I better get those lx4s' before Avid quadruple the price.
true bummer. -->>>
Or possibly switch to STaudio! Affordable solid korean gear with pro performance..
August 17th, 2004, 03:03 PM
This is my first thread in this community, after extensive reading on a lot of threads. I´ve found great stuff in here.
This is my question. I already bought the Liquid Edition 5.5 pro (the one that comes with the agp pinnacle card), and now i´m chosing the PC hardware.
-Motherboard P4 INTEL D875PBZLK (8USB+SERIAL ATA+LANPRO 1000)
-PROCESSOR PENTIUM 4 HT 2.800GHZ 512KB FSB800MHZ BOX
-3 HDD 40,0GB IDE 7200RPM ATA133 11Ms
-Samsung MEMORy DDR 1GB / FSB400 / PC-3200 (2x 512MB)
-DRIVE 1.44MB 3,5" MITSUMIDRIVE
-CD-ROM 52X OEM LG GCR-8523B
-Audio Board- SOUND MAKER VALUE 4.1
-Pionner DVD-R/RW (8X4X12X) E DVD+RW (8X4X12X)
-LG CDR-W (24X24X40X)
-OEM WINDOWS XP PRO
Any comments on this configuration that i´m getting!??
August 17th, 2004, 03:22 PM
The only change I would consider is using 1 40GB drive (to load the OS on) and get bigger drives for the other two. Remember that 1 hour of tape is about 13GB. You need about 12GB free to render a full DVD disc also. If you save anything, 80GB will be gone very quickly.
My current project is around 100GB and I have 5 more tapes to log.
Pioneer has also released the 108 series DVD drives at $100 USD. That is 16x and supports DVD-ROM book Dual Layer at 4X/2.4X write.
August 17th, 2004, 04:54 PM
I've got a question about that Pinnacle card. Does it import from DV tape and record in a Pinnacle proprietary codec? In other words could you import a DV tape via firewire, and send the resulting AVI over a network to a computer that did not have Pinnacle products installed on it and open that AVI with Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas or Ulead VideoStudio? I've been told you cannot because Pinnacle uses their own codec.
August 17th, 2004, 07:52 PM
I am not aware of the Pinnacle AVIs/DIFs being proprietary. I think they are standard DV25, but I am not entirely sure I remember correctly.
August 18th, 2004, 08:24 AM
Thanx for the tips.
I have been told by pinnacle support that you can choose in wich codec you want to work (DV,DVCAM,DVC) and that the .avi uses a cinepack universal codec, i really got confused about this codec stuff, i will get this machine working than i tell you.
About ram memory, any thoughts?? kingstone(hyper-x or not), samsung.
Yi Fong Yu
August 18th, 2004, 03:07 PM
well i hope they keep updating drivers to my revolution 7.1 =). i luv this card.
August 29th, 2004, 08:38 PM
How does Pinnacle Liquid Edition 5.5 (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/productpage_n.asp?product_id=1474&division_id=2) compare with the other PC-based high-end NLEs:
-- Premier Pro
I am not considering any Mac NLEs because I already have a PC built for video editing. So please, no debates on Mac vs PC. There are plenty of other threads on that topic. :-)
I'm looking to buy a new NLE within the next few weeks. My initial use will be for wedding/event videography. However, that may change as I obtain more knowledge and experience.
I have been researching all four of these NLEs, and they all seem very capable. There are many posts in this forum recommending each of these.
From what I have been able to determine, Liquid Edition can do pretty much anything the other NLEs can do -- but I don't know this since I have not done an actual hands-on comparison.
However, it seems that Liquid Edition has the fewest number of users in this forum. Maybe that's because it's a new product, I don't know. From Pinnacle's Comparison Chart (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/docloader_n.asp?templ=10&doclink=/WebVideo/liquidedition/English(US)/doc/liquidedition_prod_comparison.html&Product_ID=1474&Langue_ID=7&division_id=2&loc=) it offers a number of advantages over all the rest.
Liquid Edition is currently the least expensive, less than half the price of Avid. As a student, I can purchase any of these at highly discounted prices, so price is not a major issue with me.
I guess what I really want to know is what features or capability do the other NLEs offer that Liquid Edition does not?
Thank you for your time and feedback on this topic.
August 30th, 2004, 11:42 AM
Just so you know, LE 5.5 is about to be replaced with 6.0. It will be announced at IBC (next week?). We know that it has HD capabilities, but Pinnacle has been very quiet, as usual, about the features in the new version. If history repeats, there may be a good deal on an upgrade from something like Studio too. That is part of how I jumped into it.
I had tried Premiere 6.0 a long time ago, but I just could not give you a comparison. Almost every NLE has their own quirky interface that takes getting used to. Now that I have used animation software, they really are pretty easy comparitively ;) (still doing the tutorials on an animation package and not yet ready to attempt a minor project.)
It has dynamic timewarp, advanced color correction, and an autosave that is excellent. I does not allow multiple camera editing in multiple view windows (Vegas does that? - we use the timeline display switchs to toggle or create PiP views of the videoes to compensate.) Many of the other features I remember from comparisons are similar. Pinnacle does support multiple CPUs and uses the graphics processor to do some rendering.
Also, 6.0 may include support for a new HD video capture card that uses the PCI-Express bus. Still waiting to find out.
August 30th, 2004, 08:48 PM
The "pro" board that comes with liquid edition pro is only 64mb and is primarily used for capturing analogue and converting it to digital. I use liquid edition and a canopus advc 100 converter. Works great...
My advice invest in a RADEON ATI VIDEO CARD (SEE THE PINNACLE SITE FOR RECOMMENDED CARDS). Forget the Pinnacle Pro card...64mb does not cut it.
Also invest in a minimum one or two 250 gb internal hard drives for your video files in addition to the 40GB (go bigger) hard drive for your operating system and program files.
August 30th, 2004, 09:14 PM
If you don't immediately need it, you could wait until IBC and see what Pinnacle announces as the new products. They may have the new HD hardware that will replace the Pro card. It was demoed as an ATI/Pinnacle PCI-e card at NAB and the Intel Developer's Forum.
August 31st, 2004, 11:08 AM
Liquid 6 is gonna be pretty big.. i dont like how pinnacle have set up the worksations element or the database situation with files.. but ther eare some tings that they did get righ..
6 will most likely have steinberg VST plugin support.. 5.1 dolby digital using VST technology and DTS options thru nuendo plugins (maybe)
prolly have more features akin to Avid and Vegas as opposed to Premier.. Liquid flows alot like Avid..
August 31st, 2004, 11:13 AM
The Pinnacle ATI AGP card is a rehashed Radeon 8500 (video in/out)
the pinnacle drivers for this card WILL NOT WORK on any other ati card as its a proprietary driver.. the Hardware itself has been flashed by Pinnacle also.. so u can get ur super duper 9800 card, but it wont do anything to improve ur video as it wont recognise the card other than it being your gfx card ONLY.. in and out will still wrk, but pinnacle wont recognise it..
the only difference??
realtime effects.. some are CPU and others are GPU.. if u dotn use the Pro Card, u wont be able to get realtime GPU effects..
August 31st, 2004, 01:54 PM
Not quite true on the realtime GPU effects. You get them, but the Pro card has a monitor out that will display the effects in realtime on a NTSC monitor (I think there is a PAL version too or is it a software switch). I get to see all of the effects without the Pro card after render, which occurs in the background. With my 9600XT, a GPU transition renders in about 4-8 seconds and then I can play it in the monitor in the NLE. If I had a Pro card, I would be able to display it on a NTSC monitor. But as is, sans Pro, I drop a GPU transition or effect on a clip(s), the effect renders, and I can usually play the portion in the timeline within 10 seconds on screen.
I also think that newer Radeon drivers work with the Pro card, but are not always certified by Pinnacle.
August 31st, 2004, 08:33 PM
Thanks George and Peter for your feedback. I can't wait to find out the new features of LE 6. But it sounds like it's going to give all of the other NLEs some big competition.
If you're a newbie like me, you're probably wondering what is the "IBC". Well, a little google search, and a few clicks later, I found it is the International Broadcasting Convention (IBC) (http://www.ibc.org/). Their stated purpose/objective:
IBC is committed to providing the world’s best event for everyone involved in the creation, management, and delivery of content for the entertainment industry. Run by the Industry for the Industry, IBC is owned by six industry Partners who represent both visitors and exhibitors.
The next convention is scheduled for Sept 9-14, 2004 at the RAI Convention Centre, Amsterdam.
August 31st, 2004, 10:10 PM
Here's an interesting "objective" comparison I just ran across.
Summary of Comparison of the top 5 NLEs by Jan Ozer, eMediaLive.com, Dec 2003 (http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/PrintArticle.aspx?ArticleID=8066). See the full article for details.
In our search for an "objective" comparison of video editors, here's what we came up with:
We selected five of the top prosumer editors:
PP - Adobe Premiere Pro (MSRP $699),
FCP4 - Apple Final Cut Pro 4 ($999),
AXP - Avid Xpress Pro ($1,695),
LE5.5 - Pinnacle Liquid Edition 5.5 ($699), and
VEGAS4 - Sony's Vegas 4.0d ($559).
We created four multipart projects in each program, focusing on critical functions like video overlay, color correction, slow motion, and image stabilization.
We sent the project files, assets, and our results files to each company with a detailed listing of problem areas that our tests had uncovered, inviting each company to call or write with their comments.
Four of the five companies responded with corrections, explanations, and admissions. The only company who didn't respond was Apple, though provided the same lead time as the other companies.
Then, we compared the output quality of the files produced. This is what we found.
For each feature the Overall Rating (5=highest) and the Render time (min:sec) are presented.
FEATURE PP FCP4 AXP LE5.5 Vegas4
Overlay/Chroma key 2 1:17 3 4:42 4 2:03 4.5 0:17 5 7:46
Color Correction 3 1:22 4 0:59 3.5 0:49 5 0:38 4 0:57
Slow-Motion 2 1:26 4 1:42 4 1:36 5 2:14 4 2:49
Image Stabilization 5 3:15 3 6:10 1 0:52 N/A N/A
AVERAGE 1-3 2.3 1:21 3.7 2:27 3.8 1:29 4.8 1:03 4.3 3:50
For the features compared, LE5.5 has the best overall rating and lowest average render time, and is in the top 1 or 2 in all features. However, LE5.5 does not support image stabilization. Perhaps this will be in Ver 6.0 ?
August 31st, 2004, 10:29 PM
Here are some of the key threads on this board concering Liquid Edition:
Pinnacle Liquid Edition, Mar 2004 (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22570)
Premiere Pro vs. Pinnacle Liquid Edition, Mar 2004 (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23057)
Camcorders Supported by Pinnacle's Liquid Edition, May 2004 (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26677)
Pinnacle Liquid Edition 5.5 [released], Sept 2003 (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14448)
There are others. Just do a search on "Liquid Edition"
September 9th, 2004, 08:29 AM
interesting looking breakout box.. i dont think they have any details on their site as yet, but the pro version has a USB2 enabled breakout box wich houses all the analogeous connections as well as optical output for surround projects..
Im still waiting on confirmation on how it processes all this and whether or not your surround sound card is redundant due to the box hijacking your audio ouput, as the way this works, it doesnt seem to connect to ur soundcard fo rur realtime audio output... strange.. and not very efficient if ur already running an Audigy which is ideal for video as it feeds grunt off the emu10k SPU making ur CPU breathe easy...
its all CPU, so theres afew issues im still tryin to figure out..
i havent noticed anything significantly different within the SW but i have SEEN the SW so i cant say anyting until then..
support for HD is there (much like vegas) and it seems theyre tergeting the premiere/matrox RTx100 users
The databasing system is stil there, but heres hoping they dont keep the file asociation hijacking.. i really REALLY hate companies that dont give u a choice when installing components...
should be an interesting time...
September 9th, 2004, 08:32 AM
Do you have a picture or article about it?
September 9th, 2004, 08:47 AM
ive only got a powerpoint document.....
if anyone wants to host it, be my guest.. :)
September 9th, 2004, 09:51 AM
There are two brochures with a picture of the BOB,a platform matrix, and a Liquid family features matrix.
September 12th, 2004, 11:18 AM
September 14th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Is there any way to force Avid DV XPress to import AVI DV Type-2 footage without rerendering? Like into Premiere, for instance.