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Paul Cronin
October 19th, 2008, 07:54 AM
What are editors finding as the best stabilizer software for use with FCS2? I have not been impressed with the options in FC. I do own Adobe After Effects but have not tried this option. I have a lot of clips I want to dial out the high frequency of a machine the clips are XDCAM EX1 1080p HQ.

Paul Cronin
October 19th, 2008, 08:58 AM
How about Shake 4.1? Looks to me that this is a excellent stabilizer. Does anyone have experience with this software?

Stefan Sargent
October 19th, 2008, 09:37 AM
How about Shake 4.1? Looks to me that this is a excellent stabilizer. Does anyone have experience with this software?

Smoothcam in Shake 4.1 works well. Go to
helicopter demo (http://www.stefansargent.com/helicopter.html)
all settings on Smoothcam default.

BUT if there's camera jitter or a sudden bump Shake will create blurred frames -

Steady from Red Giant is faster to work but not as powerful as Shake's Smoothcam - it has the advantage of no blurred frames but does not hold the picture as stable as Shake.
Red Giant Software: Magic Bullet Steady 1.0 (http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/products/featured/magic-bullet-steady/)

The other problem with Steady (or "Stabilize" the name of the software once you buy it) is that falls out of render - I mean that if for example you dare to hit "f" on the timeline - the whole stabilized effect disappears and a RED ! mark appears. The only way out is to do a mixdown of the stable shot (export QT then import the clip - how I miss Avid's mixdown feature).

Red Giant's support is zero - no reply after three complaints. Perhaps they know that "Steady" is basically unstable. I wait for version 1.1.

S
www.stefansargent.com (http://stefansargent.com)

Mathieu Ghekiere
October 19th, 2008, 10:31 AM
Smoothcam is just a function within Motion and Final Cut Pro too right now? So you don't need to purchase Shake for this, or am I missing something?

BTW, I'm pretty impressed by Smoothcam. Yes, render times can be long, and if you have a really unstable shot, it won't ever make it perfect, but it does a pretty good job.

Pete Cofrancesco
October 19th, 2008, 10:32 AM
I use Motion it does a great job. There are free online tutorials.

Jase Tanner
October 19th, 2008, 10:47 AM
[QUOTE=Mathieu Ghekiere;952994]Smoothcam is just a function within Motion and Final Cut Pro too right now? So you don't need to purchase Shake for this, or am I missing something?

Shake has 2 stabilizing nodes. Smoothcam and Stabilize.

Paul Cronin
October 19th, 2008, 11:10 AM
Thank you for the responses.

Stefan nice site.

The footage I need to stabilize does not have as extreme movement as what you show on your site but that is an excellent example. I shoot with an Aerial Exposure 4 KS-8 gyro rig modified to hold 6 KS-8’s. The problem I have is from a shoot where I nailed the money shot but the turbine from the Eurocopter 120 put a high frequency into the footage due to the extreme zoom. It is not bad but the Smoothcam just does not cut it for this clients show. And I think Jase said it best I need Stabilizing not smoothing.

I will give Shake 4.1 a go from your recommendation and by two other's who have had great results in similar situations. Thanks!

Cole McDonald
October 19th, 2008, 12:40 PM
The stabilizers in Motion 2 are the same stabilizers in Shake.

Motion 2 contains the same "Optical Flow" algorithms that were previously only found in shake. Combining the two was part of Apple's strategy to end up with a full product line in studio that had all "mac-like" software and interfaces (which Shake absolutely is not).

Oh, and here's a stabilzed shot with the edges intact so you can see how much work Shake is doing:

Original: http://yafiunderground.com/Video/2_rough_comp.mov
Stabilized: http://yafiunderground.com/Video/2-shk-comp-test.mov

Paul Cronin
October 19th, 2008, 01:08 PM
Cole you are saying the Stabilizer in Motion (FCS2) is the same as the one in Shake 4.1?

If that is really the case and you have all the same options then I will cancel my Shake 4.1 order. But from what I have tried in Motion and viewed in the Shake 4.1 demo and on Lynda.com Shake has a more in depth approach to stabilizing. Happy to be wrong and save the money.

Cole McDonald
October 19th, 2008, 02:33 PM
I love shake and the power it has. I wouldn't necessarily cancel the order. It's as powerful as things that are really powerful... and then some :)

Paul Cronin
October 19th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Thank you Cole for the advice and the quick response I will not cancel.

Stefan Sargent
October 19th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Thank you for the responses.
... but the turbine from the Eurocopter 120 put a high frequency into the footage due to the extreme zoom.

In my experience Smoothcam will not remove jitter. In July, I had a 'copter shoot over the Great Salt Lake - 50% was perfect (didn't need Shake) and 50% had fast jitter vibrations (I blame the pilot).

I tried Shake, frame additions from Joe's Filters, two passes of Shake (it really works sometimes) - finally cracked it by slo mo-ing the shots to 25% of the original speed. The jitter just vanished.

BTW I have tried Smoothcam via FCP Filters but IMHO it works better in Shake 4.1. After Smoothcam (in Shake) use SCALE - try 1.07

S

Christopher Glavan
October 19th, 2008, 09:57 PM
I agree with everyone about the power of Shake. One of AE's shortcomings is its point-tracking system for tracking and stabilizing. If you're panning and your point trackers move off screen, all your tracking data is useless. You might look at Mocha from Imagineer Systems. It uses a planar tracking system which looks to work much better than AE. Unfortuantely, it keeps crashing on my old iMac so I can't really speak to its effectiveness.

Loren Simons
October 19th, 2008, 10:32 PM
just as a side thing, i know mocha comes with the new AE in Cs4 or atleast Mocha AE or some version like that.

Paul Cronin
October 20th, 2008, 08:36 AM
Thanks for all the great input I ordered Shake and it will be here today.

Stefan thanks good advice on the slowing up the clips. The producer flew with us and was in the front with a monitor. We were discussing during the shoot what clips would look great slower. I tried to convince him to let me shoot some clips over cranked at 50% speed to keep the bit rate but he preferred post.

I will give Shake 4.1 the two-pass test on the 25% of the clips that need it from the shoot and try 1.07 scale.

It was my mistake with the high frequency put in by the machine it was a low frequency from the track & balance being off on the blades. The pilot is taking care of that this week so our next shoot is better.

Cole McDonald
October 20th, 2008, 04:03 PM
One of AE's shortcomings is its point-tracking system for tracking and stabilizing. If you're panning and your point trackers move off screen, all your tracking data is useless.

VideoCopilot.net Video Tutorials & Post Production (http://www.videocopilot.net/tutorials/set_extensions/) covers tracking when track points move of screen.

I will give Shake 4.1 the two-pass test on the 25% of the clips that need it from the shoot and try 1.07 scale.

It was my mistake with the high frequency put in by the machine it was a low frequency from the track & balance being off on the blades. The pilot is taking care of that this week so our next shoot is better.

One of the tricks I use is to "pan and scan" the image with a Move2D node to minimize the amount of scaling I have to do to it (I also use the same node to do the scale) If you have a smooth cam that pulls the frame to the right or the left, you can keyframe the move oppositely so that you don't have to scale the image up as much thereby keeping some of the pixel integrity that you would otherwise be sacrificing.

OOH! and you can use Shake and the optical flow stuff to retime shots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhfgVcyTH1M

a search on youtube for shake gives tons of valuable tutorials as well (which are much easier for me to learn from than books sadly).

Cole McDonald
October 20th, 2008, 04:49 PM
And just found this from emeeks on youtube (his other vlogs are a bit over the top, but his instructional stuff is great!)

YouTube - Apple Shake Tutorial: Advanced Smooth Cam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mKbWGCtmmE)

Christopher Glavan
October 21st, 2008, 06:03 AM
Thanks for the links Cole! Didn't know you could do that in AE... still learning every day =)

Cole McDonald
October 21st, 2008, 06:37 AM
We all happen across neat random things online... sharing makes the community better :)

Paul Cronin
October 21st, 2008, 11:07 AM
Cole excellent makes me realize Shake 4.1 is going to be worth every penny for my type of shooting. Thank You

Cole McDonald
October 21st, 2008, 03:49 PM
All good, someday, someone will ask a question about this same thing and you'll be able to give links and advice on the subject too. Knowledge wants to be free! It's easier to spread than warm creamy peanut butter :)

Paul Cronin
October 21st, 2008, 03:50 PM
I agree Cole and always happy to help people on DVinfo.net when i can give the right information as you have with me.

Paul Cronin
October 24th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Well I have been playing with Shake for two days and it is very powerful. Thank god for Lynda.com.

Having a problem playing the smoothed out clip in FC.

Work flow:
I export the clip from FC to shake. Then I set the global parameters. Add a smooth node and analyze at smooth, in, and keep all the rest the same to test.

Then in the Fileout node, which came in with the clip from FC, I render out.

It pops up on a track over the old clip. But when I go to play it brings up the window “Warning – Dropped Frames”. I have this at time when my RAID is just starting in the morning but never after that. All the options are tried. And my machine is Mac Pro 8 – 3.0 processors, 16 GB ram so not sure what is happening.

Tricks?

Looks great for 1 sec but then will not run further with out clicking OK then another sec.