Well, it's out. Just started testing the HLG options yesterday. What do you think of the new expanded dynamic range recordings? HLG, HLG 1, 2 and 3.

Any thoughts?

Is this a gimmick, or has Sony figured out a way to pull more actual dynamic range out of the little 1" sensor?

Paul

No gimmic. The RX10-III has the same sensor and they allowed it to have SLOG-2.

The problem with the Z150 is that Sony never allowed it to have any gamma curve more than rec709-ish type curves. Rec709 can only hold about 6 to 7 stops od dynamic range. So, doing this potentially allowes you to caputure the full range that the sensor actually sees instead of clipping it early the way rec709 does.

These little 1inch-type sensors can do 10+ stops of DR if you get it out of the rec709 limitations. I always thought it was ridiculas that the RX camera line using the exact same sensors were allowed to map the full range of their sensors but the x70 and the Z150 were left "crippled" to rec709.

I need to side by side test the RX10-III in SLOG-2 vs Z150 in HLG.

It all sounds interesting. I have been happy with the Z150 for what it is, but the dynamic range is one of the big weak points.

Is the new firmware worth it? Are there any bugs? Paul have you tried it?

And Paul, your PP has been fantastic for the last seven months pushing this camera hard. Thank you, and Trustee now is well deserved.

Will this also be passed on to the X70?

It all sounds interesting. I have been happy with the Z150 for what it is, but the dynamic range is one of the big weak points.

Is the new firmware worth it? Are there any bugs? Paul have you tried it?

And Paul, your PP has been fantastic for the last seven months pushing this camera hard. Thank you, and Trustee now is well deserved.

Is it worth it? You bet!...its FREE :-)

Not only will your dynamic range jump way up, they also added greatly improved zebra adjustments.

Highlight handling? HLG wipes those problems away. Remember, when you shoot it rec709, the camera cuts off the bottom and tops of the signal to give it the contrast (and limited dynamic range) that rec709 requires. So you are throwing away dynamic range that your sensor can easily see. Rec709 recording is a total waste of a good sensor.

I think this is a massive game changer for the Z150. Its not exactly SLOG-2 but its close enough!

I doubt they will give HLG to the X70. Sony would rather preasure you to "buy up" to get this ammount of dynamic range.

The sad thing is that the Sony RX10's with this same Z150 sensor give you SLOG-2! But our X70's get screwed.

Thanks, just downloaded it and now getting ready to update.

Anyone have the install directions. Seem to have lost mine and can't find it on the Sony site? Don't want to brick my Z150.

Hi Paul.

I found this download link on the Aussie site for Sony. You have to download the entire zip package, but inside the package is the procedure manual for the firmware update (for both Mac and Windows):

Software: PXW-Z150 System software V2.00 : Software/Drivers : Australia : Sony Professional (http://pro.sony.com.au/pro/support/software/SET_070617_PSG)

Don't want to brick my Z150.

I've read so many "horror stories" of firmware updates gone wrong that I tend to avoid them, but this update might be a rare case (from my viewpoint) where the reward might outweigh the risk.

I did my first project with the Z150 earlier this month and there was a particular outdoor scene where I felt I had pretty much a correct exposure for the overall scene plus the faces of the actors, but was dismayed during editing to notice some blown-out highlights on an actress's white top. So the extra dynamic range promised by this update has my complete attention!

I'm very interested in how you and others go with it. (Plus I'd also love Doug Jensen to chime in about this update, if he's not too busy at this time of year.)

My upgrade was easy, no issues and quick. I have upgraded many, MANY Sony cameras over the years and never had a problem.

Yes, the dynamic range is a fantastic improvement! Im going to do an RX10-III side by side test with the Z150 because they share the same sensor. It will be SLOG-2 vs. HLG-3. I'm curious to see the dynamic range difference.

If you look at Sony's published HLG-3 gamma curve mapping chart, you can see that it maintains a traditional rec709 value from the bottom to roughly middle grey. However, after grey it begins to compress as it makes its way to 100 IRE.

I wish Sony allowed HLG-3 to top out at 109 like they do with SLog-2. If you are stuck with 8 bits, you are better off using the full 8bit scale (0-255) instead of cutting the bits off and clipping the wave at 100. I dunno, maybe the HLG standard demands it?

Its got a beautiful slope to it so its going to handle highlights way, WAY better than rec709 ever could. You can shoot in HLG, capture allot more dynamic range, color grade in post and still deliver in traditional rec709 for your clients.

In 4k, we are still talking 8bit here so HLG will stress that CODEC more than rec709 but its very worth it to get that DR. Recording externally to ProRes will "help" the post grading 8bit artifacts quite a bit but will never completely cure true 8bit banding problems.

After you update, make sure you turn off your new LUT/monitor assist function. That way you can see the log in your monitor. When I first switched to HLG, I was like "hey, this looks no different than crappy cine1/2" took me a minute to realize that Sony's also gave us a LUT/monitor assist!

You guys will LOVE HLG on the Z150. This really makes this a whole new camera!!

Guys, this is really significant. This is the first Sony camera below $6000 to allow a log sensor readout.

NO OTHER SONY PROFESSIONAL CAMERA BELOW THE FS5 HAS THIS TODAY!!!

(I mean, with the exception of evey Alpha and CyberShot consumer camera that Sony has made in recent years:-)

CT

Thanks David,

Your link worked, the one I tried for UK kept getting stuck.

Agree I have upgraded dozens of firmware, but only do it when I know it is worth it. And the Z150 really suffers from dynamic range so this will give it a little help.

Easy update, camera does seem a bit better in dynamic range only doing a quick check. Thanks for the help.

I doubt they will give HLG to the X70. Sony would rather preasure you to "buy up" to get this ammount of dynamic range.

Message to Sony:
PLEASE DO MAKE THIS UPGRADE AVAILABLE FOR THE X70! THANK YOU!!

The X70 is a whole different camcorder than the Z150 with uses in a lot of places the X70 doesn't fit/work as well. It would open up a lot of doors (drones and adventure shooting) and show Sony is serious about making the Sony product line the best it an be.

Thank you!!

Ditto ^^^^^

Agreed, I own both and it would be nice to have HLG-3 on the x70 too. This would make it easy to color match them together.

Sadly, i doubt they would allow it. The X70 is just not expensive enough to warrent it. Even though Sony makes 1inch type cameras under $1000 with SLog-2. I guess Sony allows consumer cameras to have things that XDCAMs arent.

Well that sounds very nice but if, like me, you have an X70 as well, which I use as a B camera in live events then it seems that I will be left with nice dynamic range from the Z150 and less from the 70. This effectively sets the 2 cameras apart more and probably makes it harder to match the look of each camera when synced.

I'm thinking out loud as I haven't upgraded the 150 yet and probably won't for a while as I'd be tempted to fiddle about too much experimenting at a busy time when I just need to get on with things as they are.

The 'old' Sony wouldn't do that, but I'm HOPING the newer, more independent, hungrier, Sony which is trying to maintain customer loyalty and claw its way back to greater profitability and industry dominance, will consider improving the customer experience for guys like myself who have bought several Sony Pro camcorders over the years, and work to show they are serious about customer loyalty.

Upgrading the Z150 is the kind of initiative that was often lacking at Sony in the past IMO, so I am really please to hear about the more recent Z150 upgrade that extends the usefullness of the camcorder. And I've noticed a lot more activity in releasing firmware to enhance other Sony products' capabilities than I've seen them do in the past. That's encouraging. At least that's what I've noticed. Truthfully, Sony has been pretty good about providing firmware upgrades and improvements to the X70 over the past couple years, something I felt Sony was horrible at in the past, not just camcorders but with a lot of Sony products I've owned (Ive felt they've taken customers for granted in the past).

...So how about it Sony ....HLG for the X70??!!!

Its hard to know what Sony's marketing plans are for the future of the X70. I believe the X70 uses the original RX10 1inch-type sensor while the Z150 uses the 3rd generation stacked BSI model.

As we might remember, it took a long time for Sony develope firmware for 4k at 100mbp/s. For a while, Sony basically abandoned it with ony 60Mbp/s.

I have a feeling that Sony is done feveloping firmware for with the X70 and have moved on to R&D on its replacement.

Hopefully I wrong but I think they only reason why they gave the Z150 HLG was to put pressure on Panasonic's two competing models. Panny doesnt give theirs log gamma so this will allow the Z150 to easily beat those Panny's in DR.

The X70 doesnt have much competition to worry about so Sony will prolly keep HLG only for its higher models.

Plus, I know this 3rd generation 1inch-type sensor on the Z150 can pull in about 11stops of dynamic range. The X70's first generation sensor?....I have no clue.

Just came across this. it might be of interest to you Z150 owners as it also applies to Z150 v2.0 camera upgrades not just the FS5. Apparently it affects the Hybrid Log-Gammas in HD mode.

Sony pulls PXW-FS5 firmware version 4.0 - Newsshooter (http://www.newsshooter.com/2017/07/27/sony-pulls-pxw-fs5-firmware-version-4-0/)

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

From what I have read, it seems the problem only exists in 1080. I stopped shooting in 1080 two years ago and only do UHD now. So far, I have not seen any problems with HLG in 4k.

Highlight handling? HLG wipes those problems away. Remember, when you shoot it rec709, the camera cuts off the bottom and tops of the signal to give it the contrast (and limited dynamic range) that rec709 requires.

I understand how HLG might solve contrast and highlight problems as they relate to unsaturated highlights and regular dynamic range problems. Are you suggesting, though, that the HLG would be able to fix the problem with hue shift on color saturated highlights? This seems less plausible.

Good question.

I dont know yet. My entire experience with HLG is just 20min of footage in my backyard using HLG-3 mode.

So far, im not noticing the typical SLOG-2 "twist" on the green channel. In rec709 color, just shot with color saturation lower to help any possible channel clipping.

Seems to be working nicely with my limited test footage.

I have allot of experience with Slog-2/3 and VLog but nothing with HLG yet. Sor far, it seems that HLG-3 is my favorite and it really changes the Z150's ability quite a bit. Having an agressive roll off starting at mid-grey allows you open up and take in more light. It's certainly more forgiving now to over exposed portions your scenes. I just wish it didnt stop at 100 and clipped at 109 instead.

Sony have released Firmware Version 2.02 to fix the two issues which came up with Version 2.00:

Software: PXW-Z150 Binary Package V2.02 (Win + Mac) : Software/Drivers : Australia : Sony Professional (http://pro.sony.com.au/pro/support/software/SET_070617_PSG/20)

Thanks David,

Just downloaded it, took three tries, but ready to go now.

Some very pertinent tips about Hybrid Log Gamma, grading HLG, when to use etc from Mr. A. Chapman that might prove to be worthwhile reading for some before setting out down the HLG track.

Hybrid Log Gamma | XDCAM-USER.COM (http://www.xdcam-user.com/tag/hybrid-log-gamma/)

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney