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Mark Rosenzweig
December 3rd, 2017, 09:00 AM
First, a return of the camera to its roots - Shenzhen:

https://youtu.be/v5hnxZBLnRo

Lumix 14-140mm Lens.

Roger Gunkel
December 3rd, 2017, 09:09 AM
£699 in the UK, body only.

Roger

Mark Rosenzweig
December 3rd, 2017, 09:52 AM
£699 in the UK, body only.

Roger

Odd.

I could buy @ $249 and start my own arbitrage business with UK customers.

Mark Rosenzweig
December 3rd, 2017, 04:10 PM
DCI 4K graded zlog:

https://youtu.be/VV7fBelMc5U

True 24.00 fps.

Bruce Dempsey
December 3rd, 2017, 06:06 PM
Sure blew away my false preconceptions of Shenzhen. For some reason I envisioned factories with puffing smoke stacks and huge warehouses and grunge. lol sure got that wrong.
So what is this all about Mark? Do tell more svp

Mark Rosenzweig
December 4th, 2017, 03:52 PM
High-contrast sunny setting: graded zlog DCI 4K:

https://youtu.be/da14cE7D-fc

Bruce Dempsey
December 4th, 2017, 05:23 PM
Wonder what kind of rig that was shot from? was not on a tripod.
What do the experts here say about the worthiness of the footage?

Mark Rosenzweig
December 5th, 2017, 02:06 AM
https://youtu.be/76yAKDDdWoY

Bruce Dempsey
December 5th, 2017, 07:36 AM
wish i could find a deal in canada

Alex Anderson
December 6th, 2017, 10:42 AM
Mark, great looking video and a great price for a 4k camera. How is the autofocus on this camera? Will it continuously track a person for focus? How is the low light/available light in dark scenes hold up? Any chance I can get a download of the original files off the camera so I can look close and try some color grading?

Alex

Mark Rosenzweig
December 6th, 2017, 08:14 PM
Mark, great looking video and a great price for a 4k camera. How is the autofocus on this camera? Will it continuously track a person for focus? How is the low light/available light in dark scenes hold up? Any chance I can get a download of the original files off the camera so I can look close and try some color grading?

Alex

Thanks. I have uploaded an original, straight from the camera, ungraded DCI 4K Zlog clip from the Zhejiang Campus video to Vimeo. You can download the original, by downloading the "Original" file, not any of the other resolutions (you may have to put a .MOV extension on the downloaded file). If you want some other clips from the videos, let me know.

The link:

Z Camera E1 Original Ungraded Zlog DCI 4K Clip on Vimeo

AF performance is on par with that of the Panasonic cameras; I would not use any of them to track focus. Low-light is about the same as the Panasonic GH4, pretty decent.

Bruce Dempsey
December 7th, 2017, 07:17 AM
Well I couldn't resist and got one on order.
looks like a fun cam

Mark Rosenzweig
December 7th, 2017, 10:33 AM
Well I couldn't resist and got one on order.
looks like a fun cam

It is fun, but you must update the firmware to .30 (easy). Don't even try using it with older firmware. And you have to get used to using the buttons, even for changing aperture, shutter, ISO. Two buttons are assignable (I use one for ev adjustment and the other for focus magnification), and check focus when you can by using the button for focus magnification. Push button to focus using AF is also very useful. The quality of the results continues to impress me, from this little thing.

Alex Anderson
December 7th, 2017, 01:49 PM
Thanks. I have uploaded an original, straight from the camera, ungraded DCI 4K Zlog clip from the Zhejiang Campus video to Vimeo. You can download the original, by downloading the "Original" file, not any of the other resolutions (you may have to put a .MOV extension on the downloaded file). If you want some other clips from the videos, let me know.

The link:

Z Camera E1 Original Ungraded Zlog DCI 4K Clip on Vimeo (https://vimeo.com/246199613)

AF performance is on par with that of the Panasonic cameras; I would not use any of them to track focus. Low-light is about the same as the Panasonic GH4, pretty decent.
Found it. Thank you, Mark. Can you upload the same type of ungraded clips with people in the scene and some normal (not slo mo or timelapse) motion?

Mark Rosenzweig
December 8th, 2017, 03:42 AM
Found it. Thank you, Mark. Can you upload the same type of ungraded clips with people in the scene and some normal (not slo mo or timelapse) motion?

I will do that. Right now, though, I am in China shooting video and cannot upload anything to YouTube or Vimeo. So, a few days.

Alex Anderson
December 8th, 2017, 12:32 PM
I understated. Enjoy your time in China. I am a US citizen and I have also lived in Beijing. I also traveled around the country and I gave lectures at different universities on production/post production .

Bruce Dempsey
December 8th, 2017, 05:36 PM
"With the October update (.30), the focus now works - push to focus."
push what exactly?
tks

Mark Rosenzweig
December 8th, 2017, 06:47 PM
"With the October update (.30), the focus now works - push to focus."
push what exactly?
tks

The up-arrow button below the function button is the push-to-focus button. Pushing it forces the AF to focus. The most important buttons are this button and the MF assist button (which one assigns) that magnifies the image. The latter is useful for both manual focusing and checking that the AF has focused on what you want (which with Panasonic focusing is not always the case). The magnified image is very clear, and the magnification allows one to gage or achieve focus precisely

Bruce Dempsey
December 9th, 2017, 06:56 AM
Imagine this little camera with an enormous servo zoom eng broadcast lens adapted

Mark Rosenzweig
December 10th, 2017, 06:04 AM
Z Camera E1 DCI 4K Original Ungraded Zlog Video Clip: Jinan University, Guangzhou on Vimeo

With movement, high dynamic range.

Jase Tanner
December 10th, 2017, 10:24 AM
Well I couldn't resist and got one on order.
looks like a fun cam

Brian, I'd like to know if you found a good price in Canada.

Also, is there a video recording time limit as is often the case with cheaper cameras?

Thanks

Bruce Dempsey
December 10th, 2017, 03:30 PM
nah Bought it from b&h 249us
haven't received it nor lens but this is not one of those so I expect camcorder functionality etc

https://youtu.be/IgIsg5XWNAE

Mark Rosenzweig
December 10th, 2017, 05:31 PM
The Z Camera E1 has no recording limit. Moreover, if one gets a usb-to-barrel connector cable, the camera can be powered externally using any usb battery pack of the type used for cell phones (5V 2A).

The video in the post above was shot by me to test the low-light.

Here is another video, shot by me:

https://youtu.be/JoVvJx0HBPY

Bruce Dempsey
December 10th, 2017, 06:11 PM
sorry didn't mean to hijack your clip which I found on a facebook page and had no mention of your name or that of anybody else and given the nice way the camera seemed to handle the night for night scene i figured it would be good to post it here

Mark Rosenzweig
December 11th, 2017, 03:33 AM
https://youtu.be/Erz2MdZRorQ

Graded from Zlog.

Mark Rosenzweig
December 12th, 2017, 08:45 PM
https://youtu.be/6LmSoBu1IV4

Jase Tanner
December 16th, 2017, 10:59 AM
nah Bought it from b&h 249us
haven't received it nor lens but this is not one of those so I expect camcorder functionality etc

https://youtu.be/IgIsg5XWNAE

Thats the best I could find too.

Jase Tanner
December 16th, 2017, 11:10 AM
The Z Camera E1 has no recording limit. Moreover, if one gets a usb-to-barrel connector cable, the camera can be powered externally using any usb battery pack of the type used for cell phones (5V 2A).


https://youtu.be/JoVvJx0HBPY

Good to know both of those things. Inching closer to dropping the cash. And from a video you posted in another thread it seems reasonable in low light.

My primary use would be as B camera for indoor speaking events. Did a day long event a few weeks back, 2 cameras, 3 audio recorders/wireless mics. Checking/changing batteries got old fast.

Mark Rosenzweig
December 17th, 2017, 10:38 PM
https://youtu.be/frIqDcaAmwQ

https://youtu.be/Me3mRkB35Ak

Mark Rosenzweig
December 18th, 2017, 08:44 AM
Time-Lapse from 16MP images:

https://youtu.be/WYz8rGCXOXY

Mark Rosenzweig
December 19th, 2017, 01:43 PM
Z-Cam E1 1st Low Light Test on Vimeo

Mark Rosenzweig
December 20th, 2017, 09:25 AM
https://youtu.be/SS7wDY4W544

Mark Rosenzweig
December 24th, 2017, 10:44 PM
Everyone is obsessed with low-light and noise. Here's a video with two very low-light scenes shot with a nonfast lens (F4) on the Z Camera E1. For each scene the out-of-camera shot is first followed by the Neat Video NR application. Two observations: 1. The Z Camera noise is visible, but has no chroma content - and there is no smearing of detail (unlike on many Sony small-sensor cameras and Yi action cams), so the in-camera NR is light. 2. The Neat Video NR is quite good - the noise almost disappears, and the detail is retained. See the noise in the first clip around the number 1490 on the car.

https://youtu.be/QMYrIcZZZFg

Mark Rosenzweig
December 25th, 2017, 10:31 AM
https://youtu.be/B7og124_aGA

Bruce Dempsey
December 26th, 2017, 09:24 AM
which is displayed on youtube the dci4k or uhd4k and if it is the latter, is it squeezed?
Enjoying my copy of the E!btw

Mark Rosenzweig
December 26th, 2017, 10:12 AM
which is displayed on youtube the dci4k or uhd4k and if it is the latter, is it squeezed?
Enjoying my copy of the E!btw

When I upload a DCI 4K video, it is displayed in the UHD Window with its aspect ratio retained (no squeeze), so you see top and bottom bars.

Bruce Dempsey
December 26th, 2017, 10:45 AM
Do you shoot rgb video also or is the zlog that much better?
thanks and happy new year

Mark Rosenzweig
December 26th, 2017, 12:29 PM
Do you shoot rgb video also or is the zlog that much better?
thanks and happy new year
Both. If you look at the posted videos I label them if I shot Zlog. Otherwise it's rgb . I shoot vlog if I think I need extra dynamic range.

Happy New Year to you, and enjoy the Z E1.

Mark Rosenzweig
December 26th, 2017, 06:48 PM
https://youtu.be/LRiaKnentBc

with the slow 14-140mm lens.

Mark Rosenzweig
December 27th, 2017, 08:22 AM
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1203955-REG/z_camera_e1cam3a701_e1_mini_4k_video.html/BI/2855/KBID/3801

Mark Rosenzweig
December 28th, 2017, 09:47 PM
From your phone, connected by WiFi to the Z, you can pre-select and store two focus points (A and B), then go between the points with no focusing delay or glitches. The stored points are focus pre-sets, not where you are asking the camera to try to focus. The focusing occurs at a chosen point first (by touching the phone screen), then the point is stored. So, you get smooth transitions, touching A then B and back and so on, as seen in this test video.

https://youtu.be/cAsY3NiKqgA

Mark Rosenzweig
December 30th, 2017, 05:06 PM
Good match: the SLR Magic 8mm f4 lens ($169) and the Z.

https://youtu.be/h2Zi1lQ68xc

Mark Rosenzweig
December 31st, 2017, 04:07 PM
More with the 8mm lens:

https://youtu.be/_AD1ij9yLUo

Bruce Dempsey
January 1st, 2018, 07:41 AM
I ran the camera 3 hours indoors checking with a infared thermometer for heat wifi on/off recording/or not on ac and battery with hdmi out to a switcher. The ambient temperature was 20c and I was not able to get the E1 to heatup beyond 40c. It mostly hovered around 38c and gave no warnings nor did it shut down.

Something else: the hdmi out 1080p does not stop when recording 4k internally unlike the ax100 which is a big plus for live streaming

Mark Rosenzweig
January 1st, 2018, 11:17 AM
And I can report that it shot hours of video at -10C outdoors. I was worse for wear, but the camera did fine.

Mark Rosenzweig
January 2nd, 2018, 09:59 AM
https://youtu.be/QYK4tdSon4M

Bruce Dempsey
January 2nd, 2018, 11:58 AM
very nice
you mentioned i think manual focus is the way you shoot. right?
what other settings were employed on the street art flick above. tks

Mark Rosenzweig
January 2nd, 2018, 12:55 PM
very nice
you mentioned i think manual focus is the way you shoot. right?
what other settings were employed on the street art flick above. tks

Thanks. Aperture priority mode with aperture at f8, .8 ND filter. I use "push-to-focus" AF and then manually tweak if necessary (like sometimes for close objects). Zlog for "color", tweaked in post with curves and saturation.

Bruce Dempsey
January 5th, 2018, 12:37 PM
https://youtu.be/DC7QIN5h_Wk

Mark Rosenzweig
January 7th, 2018, 03:21 PM
Another low light example:

https://youtu.be/d_Qwy99I0N4