View Full Version : A light but effective steadycam for GH5?


Adriano Moroni
July 12th, 2018, 08:48 AM
Hi, I'd like to buy a sdeadycam for my GH5 because I can't do any good movement with GH5 because the video isn't fluid but a bit jerky. I will use it only in my trips. Can you recommend a very light but effective steadycam for my GH5?
Thanks

Noa Put
July 12th, 2018, 08:57 AM
The zhiyun crane v2

Adriano Moroni
July 12th, 2018, 09:38 AM
I thank you. Is it light, easy to use and above all easy and fast to calibrate? It seems not light. I need easy to use too because I will use it only for walking.

Noa Put
July 12th, 2018, 10:30 AM
You need to consider the min payload of the gimbal, too light and small gimbals will not be able to support the wheight of the gh5.
It is easy to use and fast to balance.

Adriano Moroni
July 12th, 2018, 10:50 AM
Do you know Feiyu A2000 3-Axis? Is seems smaller and good for GH5.

Noa Put
July 12th, 2018, 11:43 AM
no idea, YouTube is your friend, search for reviews.

Adriano Moroni
July 12th, 2018, 12:08 PM
Is there start/stop video on Zhiyun crane v2 handle? I'm noticed there is even a button for the zoom of the lens in some Zhiyun crane models. Why is there it if it doesn't work with GH5? Thanks.

PS: A guy who has a Zhiyun crane v2 told me all electronic stabilizer are very delicate and fragile. He told me that in my movies it will last only a few days and then it will break. uffffff

John C. Chu
July 15th, 2018, 05:57 AM
If I had a Gh5, I'd be seriously looking at the new DJI Ronin-S. It isn't light, but I like the integration with the Gh-5 with focusing knob right on the handle.

Adriano Moroni
July 15th, 2018, 07:09 AM
Opsss, you message has arrived late. I have just purchased online a Zhiyun-Tech Crane Plus. It is the newer model of v2. I hope I will work fine with it.If I have to be sincere I can't think to use Ronin S in my trips. It is too much heavy.

Adriano Moroni
July 15th, 2018, 08:36 AM
Hi, I have just bought a Zhiyun-Tech Crane Plus. I will get it in some days. I will use the gimbal only with the GH5 and Leica 12-60mm. Especially in wide angle lens or with a light tele. Out of curiosity I need to ask some questios because I'm absolutely inexperienced about gimbal. In August I will make my first serious UHD documentary in Africa (but not in the cities). How often do you use the gimbal every day? Yes, I know it might seem like a stupid question. But I would like to know if I can keep the GH5 on the gimbal all day. I need advice from experienced people please. I will not even have a few minutes for rest because I will shoot everything that appears in front of me from morning to night. But could the video annoy those watching the video, when they see all those movements used so often with the gimbal? I have no idea how to use a gimbal. Can you give me some advices please? THANKS for your suggestions.

George Dean
July 15th, 2018, 11:37 AM
As I have stated previously, I currently do not have a gimbal. I have used them in the past, so my experience is limited and you are looking for opinions from those that use gimbals a lot. However, I will mention a few points while waiting for others to reply.

My use of a gimbal was to make camera moves when a dolly, slide, crane or track was inconvenient. It also provided a movement that can go from low to high (crane) while moving/following the subject/s (dolly). There is a definite advantage to a small handheld gimbal over my huge crane and zero-gravity head I have used in the past. But of course you know all this, and that is probably one of the reason you purchased one.

If you are constantly shooting for 10-12 hours, your GH5 batteries and memory card will have to be swapped out, which means removing the camera from the gimbal mounting plate. So leaving it attached the entire day and shooting the entire day will not happen. You may have to swap batteries and cards several times depending on the quality you are recording. You state this is a serious UHD shoot, so I assume you will want to record at the highest quality, limiting the storage space on your cards. So, that means you have an opportunity to take the GH5 off the gimbal and maybe this timing will allow you to shoot some scenes either camera handheld or on a tripod mount, later putting it back on the gimbal.

But if you in fact do keep it gimbal mounted the entire day, you can lock the movement when a scene does not require tracking a subject, or a camera move of some kind. Fortunately you do have time to practice with your gimbal before your trip, so you can get accustom to how you may want to employ it during the shoot. If you did not purchase the duel handle attachment (I think it is about $100 USD), that seems to me to be an item well worth the price to help alleviate the pain from a single point hold. If they have a remote control that mounts on the dual handle that seems to me to also be a valuable addition.

There are shoots I have done in the past that when it got started I wish I had a gimbal. These were high intensity stressful run and gun shoots. If I had a gimbal at the time, I would have had to leave the camera on for at least 3-4 hours at a time, as there just wasn't enough time to dismount/re-mount it once the action started. That is what your shoots sounds like, constant moving and shooting whatever photo moment presents itself and if you get a break, you will probably be shooting B roll. Your arms are going to get an extreme workout.

My interest in this thread is somewhat selfish, as I'm researching for a possible gimbal purchase within the next 6 months for my current GH4, by then a GH5.

Noa Put
July 15th, 2018, 11:41 PM
What Dean said. A gimbal can be a great for mimicking different tools as you can do slider, crane movements as well beside the obvious walking moves but also just hold it still and it will look the same as you put in on a monopod. It won't replace all these tools as dedicated sliders, cranes etc will always give you more precise motion but if you have to travel light a gimbal is as versatile as it gets.

The main disadvantage is lack of control since you are holding the handle of the gimbal and not the camera, making adjustments on the fly on the camerabody like turning dials can be done as the gimbal will allow to touch the camera without it going berserk but you will see some shake in the footage while you do that.

To hold your gimbal incl the gh5 with lens an entire day is another story and I think you won't be able to as it will put a lot of strain on your muscles.

I use the gimbal a lot at weddings, I have a zhiyun but the first version which is a bit lighter and can carry a more limited weight, I have a Panasonic gx80 with a laowa 7,5mm f2 lens on it so that is a light set up and I can use it for longer periods.

Adriano Moroni
July 16th, 2018, 12:49 AM
I already know the gimbal will create problems with my muscles and I don't intend to know this. I asked a different question. For how long time is it possibile to use a gilmbal every day to create a good documentary? Using too much a gimbal can it disturb the vision of the video? I'd like to know more technically how and for how long time you use the gimbal in a day's work. I have no interest if my muscles will give me pain or not. I need to know your experiences with the gimbal in order to learn how to use it in a short time.For example: if you have to work for 10 hours every day, for how long time would you use the gimbal? Thanks for your suggestions.

Noa Put
July 16th, 2018, 02:37 AM
I already know the gimbal will create problems with my muscles and I don't intend to know this. I asked a different question. I have no interest if my muscles will give me pain or not.

You asked this:

But I would like to know if I can keep the GH5 on the gimbal all day. I will not even have a few minutes for rest because I will shoot everything that appears in front of me from morning to night.

And that's why I answered that I think this is not possible but excuse me for trying to give you some advice as I consider myself a experienced gimbal user. I guess you will figure it out for yourself soon enough so you don't have to deal with people anymore who are not giving you the exact answer to your often confusing questions.

Adriano Moroni
July 16th, 2018, 03:26 AM
You asked this:

And that's why I answered that I think this is not possible but excuse me for trying to give you some advice as I consider myself a experienced gimbal user. I guess you will figure it out for yourself soon enough so you don't have to deal with people anymore who are not giving you the exact answer to your often confusing questions.

ahaha Yes, but at the end of my question I wrote:
"But could the video annoy those watching the video, when they see all those movements used so often with the gimbal? I have no idea how to use a gimbal. Can you give me some advices please? THANKS for your suggestions."

I'm sorry, you are right, my questions are confuse for my bad english. Sorry! But now you answered me with a precise reply. Thanks.

Noa Put
July 16th, 2018, 04:00 AM
But could the video annoy those watching the video, when they see all those movements used so often with the gimbal? I have no idea how to use a gimbal. Can you give me some advices please?

You say you don't have a idea how to use it then my question would be why have you bought it? Do you feel the possibility to move around while recording will be beneficial to the story you want to tell? What does the gimbal do for you that you cannot do handheld or on a tripod?

This probably won't interest you because you don't do weddings but I"m going to tell it anyway, I use my gimbal quite a lot at the weddings I shoot, I know exactly when to use it and when not and I only use it when the motion of the camera adds something to a shot that I cannot achieve on a tripod, some moments are the couple first entrance, the first dance, the dancing, when the bring out the cake, sometimes I follow a waiter when he puts food on the table or to get some moving shots of the venue, inside or outside, sometimes they hand out gifts and with a gimbal I can follow the action without having to cut out anything in post, sometimes my camera on a tripod might get blocked and the gimbal allows me to quickly take position where ever I want and while I hold it still it almost looks like I"m shooting from a tripod.

The most important part is not to overuse it, I make sure I have enough tripod shots or handheld shots with minimal motion and I use my gimbal to fill in the blanks.

Adriano Moroni
July 16th, 2018, 06:24 AM
I understand, you use the gimbal about 30% of your shots. Right? What I like to know is if you remove the camera when you won't want the motions of the camera. I other words, do you shoots many moments with the fixed gimbal or do you remove your camera from the gimbal? I ask this question because I know you can shoot without flickering even with fixed gimbal.

Noa Put
July 16th, 2018, 11:28 AM
I have a quick release plate on my gimbal so I can take the camera off if I want to use it on a tripod or handheld and when necessary quickly attach it to the gimbal without having to rebalance it again.

Paul Mailath
July 16th, 2018, 05:34 PM
There is no gimbal that is a magic fix for moving footage, out of the box it will do some things really well and others not so good. Nothing will replace practice with the gimbal to get smooth shots. There is are steadicam exercises that will help - one I remember is drawing a large square (1 to 2 metre across) and add diagonal lines - it is best done on a far wall or the side of a shed. there is plenty of info online but the point is to practice till you get it right. I remember seeing a showreel of Charles P and you would swear some of the shots were done on a jib and others on a slider - that's wasn't anything but practice & talent and I'm sure he'd say mostly practice.

Adriano Moroni
July 21st, 2018, 09:42 AM
Hello, I have the gimbal from 2 days and it is the first time I will use a gimbal. Can anyone tell me why my smartpone fails to connect with the Zhiyun Crane Plus through the Bluetoot? I downloaded Zy Play. Yet the Bluetoot is enabled. But it even fails to connect to the PC with the cable. I downloaded the windows program from the official website. The file is called CH341SER_Setup.exe. But I believe it is not a program but only the driver. I installed it in my PC and then I connected the gimbal to the PC via the cable but nothing happens. Why? What should I do? I hope someone helps me because I can not even understand / see how to choose the GH5 in the Zhiyun Crane. Thanks for some info.

Charles Papert
July 21st, 2018, 01:09 PM
There is no gimbal that is a magic fix for moving footage, out of the box it will do some things really well and others not so good. Nothing will replace practice with the gimbal to get smooth shots. There is are steadicam exercises that will help - one I remember is drawing a large square (1 to 2 metre across) and add diagonal lines - it is best done on a far wall or the side of a shed. there is plenty of info online but the point is to practice till you get it right. I remember seeing a showreel of Charles P and you would swear some of the shots were done on a jib and others on a slider - that's wasn't anything but practice & talent and I'm sure he'd say mostly practice.

That is very kind Paul and yes, practice with Steadicam is definitely the most important factor in getting down the basics. Really, it's almost two sets of skills: the mechanical aspect of managing the various forces on the rig so that the shots appear glassy smooth is a function of drilling, practice and repetition, while the compositional side is all instinct and taste. These days the mechanical side of Steadicam is being assisted with various bolt-ons (using gimbal tech) that make it much easier for new operators to get good results.

Noa Put
July 21st, 2018, 01:19 PM
it even fails to connect

maybe this one will help? Start to watch from 03:57

https://youtu.be/krxH86CTYJE?t=3m57s