Nikon 5000 w/video at $500plus at DVinfo.net

Kurth Bousman · February 20th, 2009, 03:43 PM

ok - lets' see - this is area 51 right ? just wanted to make sure !

Nikon Rumors... ...mor-from-korea-entry-level-nikon-d5000-pma.aspx

John Wiley · February 21st, 2009, 02:58 AM

The link mentions nothing about the rumored new cam having a D-movie mode. And if it did, I wouldn't think it's implementation would be any better than that on the D90 - not at that price.

Still, we can dream, can't we?

Kurth Bousman · February 25th, 2009, 12:29 PM

Nikon rumors is saying 90% chance of a d5000 and they also have a feature set prediction and they say it's from a source that's NEVER been wrong

Nikon D5000 @ PMA | Nikon Rumors

Heath McKnight · March 4th, 2009, 12:50 PM

I hear nothing is going to be announced, Nikon DSLR-wise...

Nikon’s PMA press release | Nikon Rumors

heath

Heath McKnight · March 14th, 2009, 06:28 AM

New rumor: like Canon's rumored late March 2009 Rebel announcement, perhaps Nikon has one, too?

Greetings?PIE 2009 Theme | Photo Imaging Expo 2009

Hat tip: Ken Rockwell (KenRockwell.com)

Also, what's this about a Nikon D400 book (like the D40/D40x instructional books)?

Nikon D400 book | Nikon Rumors
More digging on the Nikon D400 book | Nikon Rumors

Finally, a Nikon marketing exec goes on the record saying the D40 follow-up is under development:

Nikon Interview | Nikon Rumors

heath

Kurth Bousman · March 14th, 2009, 11:20 AM

we all know it's coming , they're all coming sooner or later , it's just a matter of when . The cool thing to me is that it more or less appears that dslrs have hit their ceiling in terms of useful resolution and it appears the next turf war will be over video capabilities , which most of us find very useful . The strange thing is if you go to dpreview , most of the still photographer posters are entrenched and afraid or indifferent to the new capability , and see no benefits . Photographers are generally a conservative group and most didn't like thru the lens metering either !

Heath McKnight · March 14th, 2009, 11:36 AM

I'm a video/digital film guy, and I don't see anything too worthwhile in DSLRs with video capabilities. Like I've said before, it's like putting in photo capabilities in some of the past lower cost pro cameras, like the XL1, etc. If the quality gets really good, then I'll jump onboard, because you obviously can't beat a DSLR's selection of lenses.

Besides, I'd like to see more than just resolution in the next wave of DSLRs... I want to see more light sensitivity, less noise, and more. I'm still just an amateur photographer, but I would love to have more options there. Resolution is important, but it's not the most important thing.

Marketing digital still cameras' resolution is like PC manufacturers pushing processor speeds in the late 1990s/early 2000s. There's more to it than just that.

Heath

Robert Lane · March 14th, 2009, 08:37 PM

Spot-on, Heath.

If you really want to get a handle on how good - or not - any current DSLR or even pocket digi-cam is capable of capturing light and color, check out the DXOmark.com website. There's much more to digital capture than how many pixels are crammed into the chip, such as signal-to-noise, dynamic range (you'll be surprised how narrow the new Canon 5DMkII fares in this category) grey capture and of course color gamut.

What's striking to me - and many other pros - is that the current "king of the hill" with respect to resolution, sharpness and even dynamic range is the Nikon D3X (see the comparisons on DXOmark.com). However at $8k for body only this overpriced beast *still* can't touch the dynamic range or color abilities of even Kodak Gold 100.

What's even more befuddling is that some of the newer bodies are actually performing slightly worse than their predecessors. For example: The Canon 50D has slightly more noise and is less sharp than the 40D. More pixels, yes but not better imagery. And some are surmising that we're reaching - if not already passed - the limit of how many pixels can be crammed into such a small space before noise and sharpness begin to actually degrade instead of improve. (see DPreview.com)

Nobody I know will throw down $8k the D3X, nor do I forsee too many putting precious cash into whatever Canon replaces the 1DsMkIII with in the future. Why? Because more pixels aren't what we need, what's needed is more color and a LOT more dynamic range. Fix that and we'll truly have films replacement.

Heath McKnight · March 15th, 2009, 07:53 AM

Robert,

I did an article for Videomaker a while ago about how small chips with a lot of pixels (say 1/3" video camera with 1.5 million pixels) has problems vs. a 2/3" video camera chip with around 350,000 pixels.

Same thing happens with still cameras. Full-frame is where it's at. I'm not ready to move up to that yet, but when I am, I may get the Nikon D700.

Heath

Kurth Bousman · March 15th, 2009, 06:53 PM

by then it might be the d700x with movie capture

Heath McKnight · March 15th, 2009, 06:55 PM

Kurth,

Do you like video in DSLRs?

Heath

Kurth Bousman · March 15th, 2009, 08:08 PM

absolutely - the gh1 is almost perfect - just missing powerzoom - if the images are good enough , it will hold me over until the fl scarlets are shipping ! I'm more interested in the 720/60p . And I might consider a new rebel body if they release it with video also since I already have a few EF-S and L lenses but that would be after the market has calmed and the price has dropped . One , the dof issue is easily solved w/o all of those extra and unwieldy adapters . Two , the ease of carrying one camera . Three , the lowlight capabilities are much improved over 1/3 sensors . Everybody has their reason why they like filmic images over video . To me , it's the short dof of larger sensors/filmsize that make an image seem more filmic . And to add , the gh1 isn't a dslr , along with the new samsung nx and hopefully a new olympus , it's a new concept which in a few years will probably include many new camera concepts . It's just got to drop the dslr-look and see what it can morph into , which will be fun to watch.cheers/k

Heath McKnight · March 23rd, 2009, 02:50 PM

Here's what happens when rumor sites get hoodwinked with faked HTML websites...

Nikonrumors.com posted an image purporting to be Nikon's site with the D400:

Nikon D400 is here! | Nikon Rumors

But it was Busted! Fake!

Busted | Nikon Rumors

heath

Kurth Bousman · March 23rd, 2009, 07:12 PM

seems I remember that fake page - and the first attention it drew was as a fake because , if my memory serves me well , it had a clerical error or something missing which alluded to its' inauthenticity - even life is a rumor - now they think it's all a big hologram - it's like asking "what's the world wide death rate ? " - obviously it's 100% ! And obviously Nikon will release the d400 ! - the only question is "when" ?

Heath McKnight · March 31st, 2009, 09:32 AM

April 14, 2009 is an Austrian Nikon PR show

heath

February 20th, 2009, 03:43 PM	#1
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	Nikon 5000 w/video at $500plus ok - lets' see - this is area 51 right ? just wanted to make sure ! Nikon Rumors... ...mor-from-korea-entry-level-nikon-d5000-pma.aspx

February 25th, 2009, 12:29 PM	#3
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	now Nikon rumors is saying 90% chance of a d5000 and they also have a feature set prediction and they say it's from a source that's NEVER been wrong Nikon D5000 @ PMA \| Nikon Rumors

March 4th, 2009, 12:50 PM	#4
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I hear nothing is going to be announced, Nikon DSLR-wise... Nikon’s PMA press release \| Nikon Rumors heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 14th, 2009, 06:28 AM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	New rumor: like Canon's rumored late March 2009 Rebel announcement, perhaps Nikon has one, too? Greetings?PIE 2009 Theme \| Photo Imaging Expo 2009 Hat tip: Ken Rockwell (KenRockwell.com) Also, what's this about a Nikon D400 book (like the D40/D40x instructional books)? Nikon D400 book \| Nikon Rumors More digging on the Nikon D400 book \| Nikon Rumors Finally, a Nikon marketing exec goes on the record saying the D40 follow-up is under development: Nikon Interview \| Nikon Rumors heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 14th, 2009, 11:36 AM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I'm a video/digital film guy, and I don't see anything too worthwhile in DSLRs with video capabilities. Like I've said before, it's like putting in photo capabilities in some of the past lower cost pro cameras, like the XL1, etc. If the quality gets really good, then I'll jump onboard, because you obviously can't beat a DSLR's selection of lenses. Besides, I'd like to see more than just resolution in the next wave of DSLRs... I want to see more light sensitivity, less noise, and more. I'm still just an amateur photographer, but I would love to have more options there. Resolution is important, but it's not the most important thing. Marketing digital still cameras' resolution is like PC manufacturers pushing processor speeds in the late 1990s/early 2000s. There's more to it than just that. Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 21st, 2009, 02:58 AM	#2
John Wiley Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Byron Bay, Australia Posts: 1,155	The link mentions nothing about the rumored new cam having a D-movie mode. And if it did, I wouldn't think it's implementation would be any better than that on the D90 - not at that price. Still, we can dream, can't we?

March 14th, 2009, 11:20 AM	#6
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	we all know it's coming , they're all coming sooner or later , it's just a matter of when . The cool thing to me is that it more or less appears that dslrs have hit their ceiling in terms of useful resolution and it appears the next turf war will be over video capabilities , which most of us find very useful . The strange thing is if you go to dpreview , most of the still photographer posters are entrenched and afraid or indifferent to the new capability , and see no benefits . Photographers are generally a conservative group and most didn't like thru the lens metering either !

March 14th, 2009, 08:37 PM	#8
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,788 Images: 15	Spot-on, Heath. If you really want to get a handle on how good - or not - any current DSLR or even pocket digi-cam is capable of capturing light and color, check out the DXOmark.com website. There's much more to digital capture than how many pixels are crammed into the chip, such as signal-to-noise, dynamic range (you'll be surprised how narrow the new Canon 5DMkII fares in this category) grey capture and of course color gamut. What's striking to me - and many other pros - is that the current "king of the hill" with respect to resolution, sharpness and even dynamic range is the Nikon D3X (see the comparisons on DXOmark.com). However at $8k for body only this overpriced beast still can't touch the dynamic range or color abilities of even Kodak Gold 100. What's even more befuddling is that some of the newer bodies are actually performing slightly worse than their predecessors. For example: The Canon 50D has slightly more noise and is less sharp than the 40D. More pixels, yes but not better imagery. And some are surmising that we're reaching - if not already passed - the limit of how many pixels can be crammed into such a small space before noise and sharpness begin to actually degrade instead of improve. (see DPreview.com) Nobody I know will throw down $8k the D3X, nor do I forsee too many putting precious cash into whatever Canon replaces the 1DsMkIII with in the future. Why? Because more pixels aren't what we need, what's needed is more color and a LOT more dynamic range. Fix that and we'll truly have films replacement.

March 15th, 2009, 07:53 AM	#9
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Robert, I did an article for Videomaker a while ago about how small chips with a lot of pixels (say 1/3" video camera with 1.5 million pixels) has problems vs. a 2/3" video camera chip with around 350,000 pixels. Same thing happens with still cameras. Full-frame is where it's at. I'm not ready to move up to that yet, but when I am, I may get the Nikon D700. Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 15th, 2009, 06:53 PM	#10
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	by then it might be the d700x with movie capture

March 15th, 2009, 06:55 PM	#11
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Kurth, Do you like video in DSLRs? Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 15th, 2009, 08:08 PM	#12
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	absolutely - the gh1 is almost perfect - just missing powerzoom - if the images are good enough , it will hold me over until the fl scarlets are shipping ! I'm more interested in the 720/60p . And I might consider a new rebel body if they release it with video also since I already have a few EF-S and L lenses but that would be after the market has calmed and the price has dropped . One , the dof issue is easily solved w/o all of those extra and unwieldy adapters . Two , the ease of carrying one camera . Three , the lowlight capabilities are much improved over 1/3 sensors . Everybody has their reason why they like filmic images over video . To me , it's the short dof of larger sensors/filmsize that make an image seem more filmic . And to add , the gh1 isn't a dslr , along with the new samsung nx and hopefully a new olympus , it's a new concept which in a few years will probably include many new camera concepts . It's just got to drop the dslr-look and see what it can morph into , which will be fun to watch.cheers/k

March 23rd, 2009, 02:50 PM	#13
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Here's what happens when rumor sites get hoodwinked with faked HTML websites... Nikonrumors.com posted an image purporting to be Nikon's site with the D400: Nikon D400 is here! \| Nikon Rumors But it was Busted! Fake! Busted \| Nikon Rumors heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 23rd, 2009, 07:12 PM	#14
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	seems I remember that fake page - and the first attention it drew was as a fake because , if my memory serves me well , it had a clerical error or something missing which alluded to its' inauthenticity - even life is a rumor - now they think it's all a big hologram - it's like asking "what's the world wide death rate ? " - obviously it's 100% ! And obviously Nikon will release the d400 ! - the only question is "when" ?

March 31st, 2009, 09:32 AM	#15
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	April 14, 2009 is an Austrian Nikon PR show heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog