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Old July 7th, 2004, 11:03 AM   #256
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Hello everyone, I'm new to this site, So let me kick off by letting you know that I tried to book a Seminar on the XL1s last month at Birns and Sawyer in Hollywood and had an e-mail back stating that they are not holding anymore until September when the replacement model will be available. I would say thats pretty much a confirmation?

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Old July 7th, 2004, 12:18 PM   #257
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Interesting information, Paul.
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Old July 7th, 2004, 12:23 PM   #258
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aaaahhhhh... between apple's new product releases and Canon's "damn upgrade it already" I'm wearing thin...
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Old July 7th, 2004, 10:39 PM   #259
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Birns and sawyer is also the major canon retailer out here as well, I would trust them pretty readily. (they told me the same thing)
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Old July 7th, 2004, 11:10 PM   #260
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You know, I went to Gluskin's today and tried to see if they had any new info on the new camera. On display was a slightly altered GL2, a new revision I guess, which looked a little less round and more rugged. But besides the slightly altered version of the GL2 (which it was, I'm not saying it was the GL3 or anything, all it was was a more square GL2), I asked the guy about the new Canon videocamera coming in a few weeks and he said that all he knew was that it was supposed to be HD and that it was coming in a few weeks. Other than that, he said it was all supposed to be "big surprise" according to what the Canon guys told'em. So, I'm still in the dark, but anybody try this new revision of the GL2 or is that old news?
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Old July 8th, 2004, 02:52 AM   #261
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Hi Jack, thats probably the GL1 you saw, its a bit more boxy than the GL2... The GL1 came out before the GL2.

Did it look like this: http://www.gl1universe.com/images/gl1-ds.jpg
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Old July 8th, 2004, 09:48 AM   #262
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No, no, no, no, you misuderstand. I should know what a GL1 looks like in comparison to the GL2, because I've got a GL1 ;). But no, this GL2 was SERIOUSLY different then the other GL2's I've seen. Like I said, it was physically less rounded than the regular GL2's. But yes, it was a GL2, NOT a rumored GL3 or anything. But who knows, I could be seeing things. Has anybody been to their local camera shops lately? Look at their GL2's if they got'em. But in any case, the GL2 is of little concern at the moment, I WANT MY XL2!!! =D
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Old July 8th, 2004, 09:55 AM   #263
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<<<-- Originally posted by Laurence Maher : No matter how good it is, I guarantee it WON'T be acceptable for blowup to film. -->>>

Funny how the SD Dvx won the Cinematography award at Sundance.. blown up :)
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Old July 8th, 2004, 10:26 AM   #264
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I've seen a lot of stuff shot on DV, and I will agree that most of it is not acceptable for blow up to film. Of course, that has nothing to do with the quality of the format, but with the lack of quality in the content.

As far as I'm concerned, if we can finally get a DV camera that is not handicapped in some way, I'll be thrilled.
By not handicapped, I mean true 16X9, 24p, XLR inputs, and interchangable lenses all on one camera.

That camera would be more than good enough for most of the things I"ve seen people do with their DV cameras, myself included.
Good content can be made with any camera, and bad content shot in HD is just as unengaging as bad content shot in DV.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the format doesn't matter at all. I'm only saying that it's been incredibly rare for me to watch a short film or feature shot on DV and think, "wow, if that were only shot on HD I would have thought it was great."

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Old July 8th, 2004, 10:27 AM   #265
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Jarred is referring to Nancy Schreiber's Sundance entry, "November." Read about it at this page at Digital Producer Magazine. There are numerous examples of DV blown up to 35mm, among them is last year's "28 Days Later," shot on the aging XL1 (not XL1S). I think it's been clearly established that there are plenty of succesful case studies for DV to 35mm.
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Old July 8th, 2004, 10:31 AM   #266
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I agree Chris.. and like in 28 days later when they hit the limits of DV, they shot in 35mm. Alot of people couldnt tell when they switched from Digital to 35mm for the wide shots, even when they watched it in the theaters.

As long as you can make out what the hell is going on and you have a good story your audience wont complain too much, they will forget it was shot on DV pretty quickly if its a good script. Remember Blair Witch?
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Old July 8th, 2004, 10:36 AM   #267
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I haven't seen the DVD of "28 Days Later", perhaps there is more information in there than what I read when it was theatrically released, but I was under the impression that the only section that was 35mm were the scenes at the end out in the country. For the wide city shots earlier on, I understood that multiple XL1's were used and "stitched" together.

My feeling about "Blair Witch" was the degraded image and shakiness was appropriate because it was "real", and the audience was aware of the technology used. I do find it distracting to have bad handheld and video artifacts present in a most narrative films, however. Even some of the images in "28 Days" pulled me out of the movie when I saw it in the theatre, and I was very involved in that film.

I amit to being a tough customer. I've felt that way about watching HD features also, including ones I've worked on!
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Old July 8th, 2004, 10:39 AM   #268
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yeah there was alot of info floating around. Basically before everything went to poo.. it was 35, and at the end when the poo was over, it was 35.

You can tell if not by resolution by the increased latitude in those scenes.

they didnt shoot on the XL1 to save money.. they had boatloads of that, it was an expirement in the director's artistic design to use a lower format for a lower point in life, when everything was flat and bleek.. and it kinda worked, however I dont think it was as big as a difference as he may of wished.
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Old July 8th, 2004, 11:08 AM   #269
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"Basically before everything went to poo.. it was 35, and at the end when the poo was over, it was 35.

Are you saying that the opening was shot in 35?
That wasn't my understanding. Like Charles I understood that only the ending was 35mm, everything else was DV.

By the way Jarred, are you saying that when experienced directors want something to look like "poo" they reach for the Canon XL1?

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Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the camera.

Let's hope that isn't the case with the XL2 (or whatever it's called).

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Old July 8th, 2004, 11:13 AM   #270
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<<<-- Originally posted by Luis Caffesse : [i]"
By the way Jarred, are you saying that when experienced directors want something to look like "poo" they reach for the Canon XL1?

-Luis -->>>

You are reading me wrong.. When I said everything going to poo I mean the virus was out and all hell breaks loose. Poo being a enviroment.
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