XL1S discontinued?! Guess why... ;)

Luis Caffesse · July 12th, 2004, 06:50 AM

Actually, Blair Witch was Hi-8 & 16mm. And the other films you mentioned were mainly HD (and 16mm), not mini DV.

So, if you can't tell the formats apart, how much do they really matter if the story is engaging?

-Luis

Josh Brusin · July 12th, 2004, 07:42 AM

28 days later... Jackass: the Movie... Uh... let me think...

Jean-Philippe Archibald · July 12th, 2004, 08:11 AM

A good amount of small productions not intended for a world wide release are shooting on Mini-DV because of the cost. A good example is Quebec-Montreal: an excellent road movie made for the theatrical release that was shot with 750000 $ CAD with three PD-150 (or DVX ? can't remember if this cam was available during the production). The format worked pretty well for this movie.

Zack Birlew · July 12th, 2004, 08:29 AM

Jack, do you realize your initial post that started this thread has generated nearly 350 responses and well over 12,000 page views?

Am I finally special now? =D

But yeah, I never thought I'd start a thread THIS big in my life. But hey, I just reported a finding and everything went from there. ^_^

BTW, I guess I'll try to see what lil computer stuff they've got in Japan like that Sony Vaio thing. Can't guarantee I'll get one, but you never know. Maybe once I learn more Japanese I'll be able to read more than just little things like "hello, nice to meet you" (hajimemashite or dozoyoroshiku) or "where's the bathroom?" (otearai e ikimasu) or what color my room is, ect., ect.

Nick Kerpchar · July 12th, 2004, 08:52 AM

I'll be happy to make it an even 350 replies.

Well, this is the week of the DV Expo East that some people think Cannon will be using to make the BIG announcement regarding the replacement for the XL1s. I'll believe it when I see it.

Nick

Luis Caffesse · July 12th, 2004, 09:06 AM

"I'll believe it when I see it."

Oh ye of little faith.

I guess every group needs it's doubting Thomas.
:)

(of course if there actually is no announcement I'll come back and delete this post)

-Luis

Daniel Broadway · July 12th, 2004, 10:34 AM

<---I guess every group needs it's doubting Thomas.--->

Or a doubting Nick for that matter.

With the XL2 announcement so close, this thread is kinda dead by comparison.

Dylan Couper · July 12th, 2004, 01:29 PM

I'm with Nick. I'll believe it when it is in my hands...

Luis Caffesse · July 12th, 2004, 02:52 PM

"I'm with Nick. I'll believe it when it is in my hands..."

Well, I hope you're going to DV Expo, or you won't believe it until September.

:)

-Luis

Glenn Gipson · July 12th, 2004, 02:56 PM

If the camera isn't HDV or HD, then it's no big deal to me. After all, if it isn't HDV/HD, what more could it offer over the DVX100A except for maybe interchangebale lenses, and a better 16:9 @ 24p. It's definately not gonna be some kind of SDX900 killer for 5 grand, as some people are alluding to. But hey, I could be wrong, and I hope so!

Luis Caffesse · July 12th, 2004, 03:09 PM

"After all, if it isn't HDV/HD, what more could it offer over the DVX100A except for maybe interchangebale lenses, and a better 16:9 @ 24p"

That's exactly what it could offer, and doing so would make it the first DV camera without technical shortcomings.

It seems like it's always something.
DVX is fantastic, it has progressive, but a fixed lens.
XL1s is fantastic, it has interchangable lenses, but no progressive.
The PDX10 is also good, best 16x9 for the money, but 1/4" chips.

For once we may see one DV camera with all the options users have been asking for in one camera.

I for one hope that it's exactly what you mentioned, a DVX with interchangable lenses and true 16x9. I don't expect much more, and anything on top of that is just gravy.

-Luis

Glenn Gipson · July 12th, 2004, 03:25 PM

Looks like Panasonic maybe bracing itself for an XL2 assault. They're giving away free Magic Bullet software with the DVX100A.

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...tGroupId=14571

Josh Brusin · July 12th, 2004, 03:58 PM

"What about Canon?_ Yes, what about Canon… For the last three years Canon has not invited this guy to a one on one unless it was to talk about their 3D lens (and we all know what a success that was)._ This year they made a request for a meeting._ Could Canon be ready to unveil something so great it will put the other camera manufacturers to shame?_ Could they be ready to release the XL2 – the camera rumored to be in production for several years?_ Could this camera provide native 16:9, HDV, and 24p all in one?_ Could they finally be releasing a camera that has XLR audio inputs instead of the inferior mini connection? Could I ask more questions in a single paragraph?_ Guess we’ll both have to wait for those answers."

http://www.macaudiopro.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=24584

Nick Hiltgen · July 12th, 2004, 07:54 PM

<<That's exactly what it could offer, and doing so would make it the first DV camera without technical shortcomings.>>

Except, of course, that it will be DV.

Jarred Land · July 12th, 2004, 07:59 PM

Josh remind me to hire you for our next Trailer's voice overs :)

July 12th, 2004, 08:11 AM	#348
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	A good amount of small productions not intended for a world wide release are shooting on Mini-DV because of the cost. A good example is Quebec-Montreal: an excellent road movie made for the theatrical release that was shot with 750000 $ CAD with three PD-150 (or DVX ? can't remember if this cam was available during the production). The format worked pretty well for this movie. __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

July 12th, 2004, 08:29 AM	#349
Zack Birlew Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 613	Jack, do you realize your initial post that started this thread has generated nearly 350 responses and well over 12,000 page views? Am I finally special now? =D But yeah, I never thought I'd start a thread THIS big in my life. But hey, I just reported a finding and everything went from there. ^_^ BTW, I guess I'll try to see what lil computer stuff they've got in Japan like that Sony Vaio thing. Can't guarantee I'll get one, but you never know. Maybe once I learn more Japanese I'll be able to read more than just little things like "hello, nice to meet you" (hajimemashite or dozoyoroshiku) or "where's the bathroom?" (otearai e ikimasu) or what color my room is, ect., ect. __________________ "Babs Do or Babs Do not, there is no try." - Zack Birlew www.BabsDoProductions.com

July 12th, 2004, 01:29 PM	#353
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	I'm with Nick. I'll believe it when it is in my hands... __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

July 12th, 2004, 06:50 AM	#346
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	Actually, Blair Witch was Hi-8 & 16mm. And the other films you mentioned were mainly HD (and 16mm), not mini DV. So, if you can't tell the formats apart, how much do they really matter if the story is engaging? -Luis

July 12th, 2004, 07:42 AM	#347
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	28 days later... Jackass: the Movie... Uh... let me think...

July 12th, 2004, 08:52 AM	#350
Nick Kerpchar Major Player Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 211	I'll be happy to make it an even 350 replies. Well, this is the week of the DV Expo East that some people think Cannon will be using to make the BIG announcement regarding the replacement for the XL1s. I'll believe it when I see it. Nick

July 12th, 2004, 09:06 AM	#351
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	"I'll believe it when I see it." Oh ye of little faith. I guess every group needs it's doubting Thomas. :) (of course if there actually is no announcement I'll come back and delete this post) -Luis

July 12th, 2004, 10:34 AM	#352
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	<---I guess every group needs it's doubting Thomas.---> Or a doubting Nick for that matter. With the XL2 announcement so close, this thread is kinda dead by comparison.

July 12th, 2004, 02:52 PM	#354
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	"I'm with Nick. I'll believe it when it is in my hands..." Well, I hope you're going to DV Expo, or you won't believe it until September. :) -Luis

July 12th, 2004, 02:56 PM	#355
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	If the camera isn't HDV or HD, then it's no big deal to me. After all, if it isn't HDV/HD, what more could it offer over the DVX100A except for maybe interchangebale lenses, and a better 16:9 @ 24p. It's definately not gonna be some kind of SDX900 killer for 5 grand, as some people are alluding to. But hey, I could be wrong, and I hope so!

July 12th, 2004, 03:09 PM	#356
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	"After all, if it isn't HDV/HD, what more could it offer over the DVX100A except for maybe interchangebale lenses, and a better 16:9 @ 24p" That's exactly what it could offer, and doing so would make it the first DV camera without technical shortcomings. It seems like it's always something. DVX is fantastic, it has progressive, but a fixed lens. XL1s is fantastic, it has interchangable lenses, but no progressive. The PDX10 is also good, best 16x9 for the money, but 1/4" chips. For once we may see one DV camera with all the options users have been asking for in one camera. I for one hope that it's exactly what you mentioned, a DVX with interchangable lenses and true 16x9. I don't expect much more, and anything on top of that is just gravy. -Luis

July 12th, 2004, 03:25 PM	#357
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Looks like Panasonic maybe bracing itself for an XL2 assault. They're giving away free Magic Bullet software with the DVX100A. http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...tGroupId=14571

July 12th, 2004, 03:58 PM	#358
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	"What about Canon?_ Yes, what about Canon… For the last three years Canon has not invited this guy to a one on one unless it was to talk about their 3D lens (and we all know what a success that was)._ This year they made a request for a meeting._ Could Canon be ready to unveil something so great it will put the other camera manufacturers to shame?_ Could they be ready to release the XL2 – the camera rumored to be in production for several years?_ Could this camera provide native 16:9, HDV, and 24p all in one?_ Could they finally be releasing a camera that has XLR audio inputs instead of the inferior mini connection? Could I ask more questions in a single paragraph?_ Guess we’ll both have to wait for those answers." http://www.macaudiopro.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=24584

July 12th, 2004, 07:54 PM	#359
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	<<That's exactly what it could offer, and doing so would make it the first DV camera without technical shortcomings.>> Except, of course, that it will be DV.

July 12th, 2004, 07:59 PM	#360
Jarred Land DVX User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 281	Josh remind me to hire you for our next Trailer's voice overs :)