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Old June 6th, 2004, 07:24 PM   #31
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Barry, I tried your http://canondv.com/xl1hd thing and it works again
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Old June 6th, 2004, 09:49 PM   #32
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This is exactly why all those people who see UFO's get a such a bad rep. [grin]

Putting wild conjecture aside for a second, I can almost say with somewhat reasonable certainty that sometime in the future Canon is likely to release a new model camcorder to replace the XL1S...

When and what features it will have fall into the wild conjecture department of Area 51...

Hey, what are those strange lights in the sky????
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Old June 7th, 2004, 08:34 PM   #33
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now i pray that my xl1s breaks and i can get the new one for free.... :)
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Old June 8th, 2004, 01:12 AM   #34
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History Lessons

We learn from events of the past, right?
In Summer, 1993, my inside source at Canon USA told me of his training seminar in Japan. He said he had held the working prototype of the new L-2 in his hands, shot footage and played it back on a pro monitor.

It was a super cam for its day. It had a new, advanced, 700K pixel 1/2" CCD, that
used many of the extra pixels to derive an image that had the resolution and rich color of a 3-CCD camera. It had 2-channel
Hi-Fi audio plus 2 more digital channels, an optical image stabilizer, a greatly improved lens with indexed focus stops, timecode, a sharp, full-frame digital freeze, a full-frame TBC, an included 4-channel (quadraphonic) mike and double inputs for it, audio dubbing to either or both digital channels and a plethora of other great features. It was truly the camcorder of which the developers of the original L-1 had been dreaming, but who were cut down by the bean-counters in the budget office.

When the production L-2 appeared for sale that Fall, it was the same mediocre L-1 with timecode, one more meaningless special playback effect and $1,000 added to its price. The bean-counters still ruled.

When my friend first told me of the super prototype, I mourned that I'd just bought an L-1 the month before. When I saw what
the production L-2 actually was, I rejoiced that I'd gotten mine at half the
"new" model's price.
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Old June 8th, 2004, 06:52 AM   #35
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<<<-- Originally posted by Laurence Maher : we may be looking at 50 Mbps or even 100 Mbps, and with lots of luck 4:2:2? -->>>

Together with this post and what other people have posted
I have one response: stay realistic. Keep in mind that we must
be able to edit the footage as well. Which NLE's support 50 mbps
DV? I don't now if there even is 100 mbps DV. 25 mbps DV does
not support 4:2:2 and I'm not sure about 50 mbps DV.

I highly doubt they would go that far and include an NLE because
we can't use anything else (basically).

It will probably still be DV or HDV.
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Old June 8th, 2004, 08:39 AM   #36
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<-- Which NLE's support 50 mbps DV? -->

FCP does, the next release of service pack for winxp will support 50mbps, avid is building it into express...

i imagine premiere and others will follow
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Old June 8th, 2004, 08:47 AM   #37
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Adobe can include 50mbps or higher support in a patch or something, I guess. I mean, they did just come out with Premiere Pro 1.5.
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Old June 8th, 2004, 08:57 AM   #38
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Newest Rumor I've heard:

24P will only be supported in DV mode.
HDV mode will shoot 1080i.

Not sure if that's true, but that's what I heard.
Personally I don't believe it.
Take it for what you will.

By the way,
I don't think there is any such thing as "50mbs DV"
The DV codec is 25mbs, it is defined as such.
Just like there is no such thing as 4:2:2 DV.

If what you guys are thinking of is DVCPro50,
it is a proprietary codec owned by Panasonic.
I seriously doubt they would licence it to Canon.

Any sort of 50mbs format would have to be a completely
new format created by Canon, and then supported by NLE
manufacturers.

I seriously doubt we'll see anything like that.
As Rob mentioned, it is most likely that we will see
a DV camera with an HDV mode.

HDV is a standard which Canon agreed to support along
with Sony, JVC, and Sharp. I doubt that after that they
would decide to go off and create a new DV derived format.

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Old June 8th, 2004, 09:18 AM   #39
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dvc50 support with avid

http://www.avid.com/company/releases...ro50_corp.html

Today Windows supports DV25. Windows XP Service Pack 2, which Microsoft is planning to release in the near future, is also expected to include support for DV50

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...ringforhd.aspx
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Old June 8th, 2004, 09:53 AM   #40
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The Avid support you linked to was for DVCPro50.

As far as Microsoft's support of DV50, it is something they say
they plan to support in the future.... I guess as soon as there
is a DV50 codec.

Again, I don't know of anything that has a datarate of 50mbs
other than DVCPro50.

I'm not saying it is not possible (obviously it is possible)
I'm just saying that if Canon were to offer something
along those lines they would have to create a new format.
Not impossible, just unlikely.


On an interesting side note, I just talked to someone at
B&H. He said that he had not heard anything official
from Canon, so he could not confirm that the XL1s was
in fact discontinued. But, he said "Canon's inventory
levels are down on the XL1s. So July would be a good
guess on the new model."


So again, I guess we'll know everything there is to know in
about a month.

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Old June 8th, 2004, 10:44 AM   #41
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<-- The Avid support you linked to was for DVCPro50. -->

i had hoped that was made clear from my tag line as well as the heading of the press release, rob asked about editing pana's codec just wanted to let him know options are on the way...

<-- As far as Microsoft's support of DV50, it is something they say
they plan to support in the future.... I guess as soon as there
is a DV50 codec. -->

reading what i wrote i got a different impression, i got the impression that when sp2 for xp is released it WILL include suport for dvc50, which should allow other win nle's to edit dvc50 as it can be brought in through the 1394 pipe...if you read further you will see Ben mentions dv100 as well in sp2...

i never mentioned anything about canon using pana's codec, or anything else that has to do with the xl1, i really don't know anything about that, but as far as editing a 50mps stream on windows, it's coming...that is an important fact glee upon...
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Old June 8th, 2004, 11:00 AM   #42
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Robert,
You are absolutley right.
Sorry if I took your post in the wrong way.
I thought you were responding to something else.

I think I was having a different discussion on my own there for a second.

:)

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Old June 8th, 2004, 03:22 PM   #43
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HMM WHERE CAN I MEET THE JUAN FELLOW.... LOL i got my camer about a month and a half ago at mirco-center it was a open item i got a good deal on it with the 500 rebate... so i went ahead and bout the extended warranty. I love the camera. i would never wish harm upon it lol unless a new hd was in the way *snickers*
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Old June 9th, 2004, 12:12 AM   #44
 
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Fernando . . .

His name is Juan Perreria. He's creating some sort of mod on his dvx-100 to allow him to record the signal straight to a hard drive at 4:4:4 uncompressed 12 bit I think. It's under the "alternative imaging" topic heading and then the link i think is "uncompressed 12 bit 4:4:4 DVX-100".

Here's the direct web address:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=20332

These guys are awesome. Wish I was as technically inclined.

Enjoy!
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Old June 9th, 2004, 04:33 PM   #45
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> When the production L-2 appeared for sale that Fall, it was the same mediocre L-1 with timecode, one more meaningless special playback effect and $1,000 added to its price. The bean-counters still ruled.

Actually, the L2 had a bit more beyond time code. An OIS lens was offerd as an option. The Hi8 format did support 4-channel, including a pair of 10-bit digital PCM audio tracks, but you needed a Sony EV-S7000 or similar deck to play in that arena. The CCD was an improved 470k pixel unit. Interval recording was dropped, but other additional playback features and datacode were added, sensitivity was improvd by 6 dB, and a digital wipe effect was added.
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