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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:32 PM   #1
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What Canon needs to do

Seems like a few companies have pushed into Canon's market from all sides...

Sony has them on price and 1080i, and portable form factor...

JVC is coming out with HDV 720p 24p and muscliing in on the interchangeable lens thing.

Panny will be coming out with 50 and 100 mgbits of HD...and a proven indie workhorse upgrade...


Here's how you can beat them, Canon!

A ONE-CHIP 2/3" 1080p 24p cam. You've got no upper line to protect, what the heck are you wating for? It's one chip, so it'll keep the price down....you sell the HD lenses if you want as well...the DOF will be shorter than the JVC, the image on par with the panny...

No I don't know what codec you should use. Perhaps a new one?
The XL2 will be toast much sooner that the xl1s was, so get with the program.


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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:49 PM   #2
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Heck why stop there? Make it have a 35mm chip like their high end Digital SLR's so there's no multiplication factor with lens conversions! Of course their Digital SLR "still" camera runs around $8K for the body only. Small problem there.
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Old March 18th, 2005, 12:08 AM   #3
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I reckon you've got a point there Michael. The XL2 sure looks mighty expensive when placed alongside the Z1, and unless you're 110% sure you want the interchangable lens facility there seems little reason to opt for it.

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Old March 19th, 2005, 05:49 AM   #4
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Tom: how about true progressive or 24 fps? The FX1/Z1 doesn't
offer either. It *only* has HD resolution (which is very nice if that
is what you want indeed).

However, I'd much rather have the XL2 (or any SD progressive
camera) for true progressive then HD which (and this is very
personal!!!):

- has a not so pleasant workflow (compared to DV)

- is no use to me since there is nothing HD here in Europe and I ain't going out to film either

Now notice I'm NOT TRYING to knock the camera or the HD format
or workflow. I'm just saying it isn't workable or needed for me at
this point in time.

I just want progressive (and true 16:9 is nice to have as well).

Although Canon might be wise to look at the HD market (no doubt
they already have a game plan), it still looks like they are selling
plenty of XL2's.

But hey, hopefully people are all going to abandon the XL1S and
XL2 line so I can pick some up very cheap <g>
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Old March 19th, 2005, 01:14 PM   #5
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You make a good argument for the XL2 Rob, and your post is a good reminder that we should buy the kit that does the job, and not squander money on HDV (say) when it simply isn't needed. I just wish the XL2 had used slightly bigger chips with all the advantages this brings. They were designing a new 20x zoom, why not keep it as a 16x but give it the covering power for 1.42" chips (say).

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Old March 21st, 2005, 05:07 PM   #6
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Is there a place on the web where you can find camera sales info?
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Old March 21st, 2005, 05:21 PM   #7
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Michael, if you happen to find anything like that, let me know.
I've been looking for sales numbers for both the DVX and the XL cameras... and all I found out is that both companies seem to hold their sales figures as highly confidential.

If you find any information online, please make sure to post a link here.

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Old March 22nd, 2005, 08:21 AM   #8
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Well, I was thinking to upgrade from XM2 to XL2. Lots of money to add. Instead I've invested in great light kit 3*800W & 3*150W Kobold ligths with stands. Also added 2 Lastolite reflectors. The difference - HUGE!. Ain't thinking to upgrade camera for some time...
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Old March 30th, 2005, 01:39 AM   #9
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What if they incorporate a D2D type interface like the FS-4 technology? Then we could have more control over variable frame rates and at some point they can do away with the whole pulldown process. It would seem to me like someone wants to keep a certain level of complication in this whole thing to weed aout the learners from the non-learneres. And that is fine to a certain extent. However, technology is supposed to make things easier.
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Old March 30th, 2005, 08:40 AM   #10
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Rumor has it --this IS area 51 so no complaining-- that Canon has already developed a prosumer HD product. They are just waiting for the HDV format to settle down and then they will finish programming the firmware and put the product on the shelves. It most likely is not a larger sensor, allthough we would like that. It's most likely a reprogrammed XL2.

Yes, Canon has the potential to blow everybody away by making a 35mm sensor video camera that uses their photo lenses. But I don't think they have THAT ready yet, so it's ok to ask.

The problem is, for 35mm to work with photo lenses, a new type of sensor needs to be developed with an intermediate semi transparent surface or something like that, because the way photo lenses work light is thrown onto the sensor at different angles and current CCDs don't like that.
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