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Ric Marrty · August 11th, 2011, 08:34 AM

Will the atom ninja make a difference or would transcoding (cineon)give me the same results?

Ric

Jeff Harper · August 11th, 2011, 08:38 AM

Don't know what Atom Ninja is, or Cineon. Also, make a difference for what? What is the problem you are trying to solve. You must explain yourself, because we have no idea what your trying to do or overcome. There are different reasons for transcoding. If you are having no problems you don't need to do it.

Ric Marrty · August 11th, 2011, 09:19 AM

There are claims that hdmi out of the gh2 is raw,10bit and much better, there are also those that say that its not that impresive.

since i don't want to edit acvhd I can use either the atom ninja that transcodes to prores or get the cineon transcoder.

But thjis depends on the output quality of the hdmi if its basically the same as transcoding to cineon then i would not by the atom ninja.

Hope i made myself clear

thanks

ric

Patrick Janka · August 11th, 2011, 10:04 AM

I just made a thread about this.

Ric Marrty · August 11th, 2011, 10:11 AM

If I am not mistaken your thread is mostly about the hack I need to know about hdmi capture.

I want to no if it worth the $1k for the atom ninja or if I can get comparable results using the hack and transcoding to cinform codec.

ric

Ric Marrty · August 11th, 2011, 10:59 AM

Can I use any hdmi capture device like:

1- Motu

2-mini matrox

3- blackmagic bob?

4-anyother?

Ric

Brian Luce · August 11th, 2011, 08:55 PM

Ric, the answer is yes and no.
New out the box, the GH2 can record hdmi but the signal is sabotaged by Panasonic. It's not usable.
Tester 13's GH2 hack hasn't broached hdmi out, though he's working on it.
Someone however has created a script that uses AVSynth software to record from hdmi without gliches. But it hasn't really clicked yet, perhaps because it's a few too many hoops to jump through and there isn't a lot of killer shootout footage to taut its merit.
Everyone is waiting for Tester 13 hack to address hdmi. And from what I know, it's just 8 bit but might be a version of 4:2:2

John Griswell · August 11th, 2011, 09:21 PM

I would think if you can't get 10bit out of the HDMI then the hack would be just as good as an external recorder. Also don't forget no 720p or Crop mode via the HDMI port.

Ric Marrty · August 12th, 2011, 10:23 AM

Gh2 Capture Test 02 Matrox Mini HDMI 2K Resolution - YouTube

Ric Marrty · August 12th, 2011, 10:25 AM

Panny GH2 + HDMI + Recorder = BINGO! Marvelsfilm’s Blog

I rely don;t know what to belive.

ric

Patrick Janka · August 12th, 2011, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ric Marrty

If I am not mistaken your thread is mostly about the hack I need to know about hdmi capture.

I'm talking about the thread I made about recording externally via HDMI for increased color information. It's only a couple of posts down.

Jeff Harper · August 12th, 2011, 11:02 AM

I'd put my money into lenses, and concentrate on great shooting, if it were me.

Patrick Janka · August 13th, 2011, 11:41 AM

Jeff, one of the big benefits of having more chroma (color) information (say, 4:2:2 vs. 4:2:0) is in color correction. It makes it easier to pull keys and such.

Bill Bruner · August 13th, 2011, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ric Marrty

Panny GH2 + HDMI + Recorder = BINGO! Marvelsfilm’s Blog

I rely don;t know what to belive.

ric

Ric -- Since that blog post, Martin Beek at Marvelsfilm has successfully output clean GH2 HDMI to the Ninja. The results make me want to run out and buy one. See this video: GH2 HDMI output recorded with Atomos NINJA.

Here's Martin's blog post on the shoot.

Hope this is helpful.

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution

Ric Marrty · August 15th, 2011, 10:11 AM

Yes but is it 10 bit 4.2.2.?

ric

August 11th, 2011, 08:34 AM	#1
Ric Marrty Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tenerife Spain Posts: 71	Atom ninja or not Will the atom ninja make a difference or would transcoding (cineon)give me the same results? Ric

August 11th, 2011, 08:38 AM	#2
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Atom ninja or not Don't know what Atom Ninja is, or Cineon. Also, make a difference for what? What is the problem you are trying to solve. You must explain yourself, because we have no idea what your trying to do or overcome. There are different reasons for transcoding. If you are having no problems you don't need to do it. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

August 11th, 2011, 09:19 AM	#3
Ric Marrty Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tenerife Spain Posts: 71	Re: Atom ninja or not There are claims that hdmi out of the gh2 is raw,10bit and much better, there are also those that say that its not that impresive. since i don't want to edit acvhd I can use either the atom ninja that transcodes to prores or get the cineon transcoder. But thjis depends on the output quality of the hdmi if its basically the same as transcoding to cineon then i would not by the atom ninja. Hope i made myself clear thanks ric

August 11th, 2011, 10:04 AM	#4
Patrick Janka Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 623	Re: Atom ninja or not I just made a thread about this.

August 11th, 2011, 10:11 AM	#5
Ric Marrty Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tenerife Spain Posts: 71	Re: Atom ninja or not If I am not mistaken your thread is mostly about the hack I need to know about hdmi capture. I want to no if it worth the $1k for the atom ninja or if I can get comparable results using the hack and transcoding to cinform codec. ric

August 11th, 2011, 10:59 AM	#6
Ric Marrty Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tenerife Spain Posts: 71	Re: Atom ninja or not Can I use any hdmi capture device like: 1- Motu 2-mini matrox 3- blackmagic bob? 4-anyother? Ric

August 11th, 2011, 08:55 PM	#7
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	Re: Atom ninja or not Ric, the answer is yes and no. New out the box, the GH2 can record hdmi but the signal is sabotaged by Panasonic. It's not usable. Tester 13's GH2 hack hasn't broached hdmi out, though he's working on it. Someone however has created a script that uses AVSynth software to record from hdmi without gliches. But it hasn't really clicked yet, perhaps because it's a few too many hoops to jump through and there isn't a lot of killer shootout footage to taut its merit. Everyone is waiting for Tester 13 hack to address hdmi. And from what I know, it's just 8 bit but might be a version of 4:2:2

August 11th, 2011, 09:21 PM	#8
John Griswell Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 31	Re: Atom ninja or not I would think if you can't get 10bit out of the HDMI then the hack would be just as good as an external recorder. Also don't forget no 720p or Crop mode via the HDMI port. __________________ John Griswell www.griswell.com - www.vimeo.com/griswell - www.johnnygadgetfilms.com

August 12th, 2011, 10:23 AM	#9
Ric Marrty Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tenerife Spain Posts: 71	this guy uses mini matrox Gh2 Capture Test 02 Matrox Mini HDMI 2K Resolution - YouTube

August 12th, 2011, 10:25 AM	#10
Ric Marrty Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tenerife Spain Posts: 71	Re: Atom ninja or not Panny GH2 + HDMI + Recorder = BINGO! Marvelsfilm’s Blog I rely don;t know what to belive. ric

August 12th, 2011, 11:02 AM	#12
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Atom ninja or not I'd put my money into lenses, and concentrate on great shooting, if it were me. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

August 13th, 2011, 11:41 AM	#13
Patrick Janka Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 623	Re: Atom ninja or not Jeff, one of the big benefits of having more chroma (color) information (say, 4:2:2 vs. 4:2:0) is in color correction. It makes it easier to pull keys and such.

August 15th, 2011, 10:11 AM	#15
Ric Marrty Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tenerife Spain Posts: 71	Re: Atom ninja or not Yes but is it 10 bit 4.2.2.? ric