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Old August 11th, 2011, 09:34 AM   #1
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Atom ninja or not

Will the atom ninja make a difference or would transcoding (cineon)give me the same results?

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Old August 11th, 2011, 09:38 AM   #2
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Don't know what Atom Ninja is, or Cineon. Also, make a difference for what? What is the problem you are trying to solve. You must explain yourself, because we have no idea what your trying to do or overcome. There are different reasons for transcoding. If you are having no problems you don't need to do it.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 10:19 AM   #3
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Re: Atom ninja or not

There are claims that hdmi out of the gh2 is raw,10bit and much better, there are also those that say that its not that impresive.

since i don't want to edit acvhd I can use either the atom ninja that transcodes to prores or get the cineon transcoder.


But thjis depends on the output quality of the hdmi if its basically the same as transcoding to cineon then i would not by the atom ninja.

Hope i made myself clear

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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:04 AM   #4
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I just made a thread about this.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #5
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If I am not mistaken your thread is mostly about the hack I need to know about hdmi capture.

I want to no if it worth the $1k for the atom ninja or if I can get comparable results using the hack and transcoding to cinform codec.

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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:59 AM   #6
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Re: Atom ninja or not

Can I use any hdmi capture device like:

1- Motu

2-mini matrox

3- blackmagic bob?

4-anyother?

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Old August 11th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #7
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Ric, the answer is yes and no.
New out the box, the GH2 can record hdmi but the signal is sabotaged by Panasonic. It's not usable.
Tester 13's GH2 hack hasn't broached hdmi out, though he's working on it.
Someone however has created a script that uses AVSynth software to record from hdmi without gliches. But it hasn't really clicked yet, perhaps because it's a few too many hoops to jump through and there isn't a lot of killer shootout footage to taut its merit.
Everyone is waiting for Tester 13 hack to address hdmi. And from what I know, it's just 8 bit but might be a version of 4:2:2
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Old August 11th, 2011, 10:21 PM   #8
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I would think if you can't get 10bit out of the HDMI then the hack would be just as good as an external recorder. Also don't forget no 720p or Crop mode via the HDMI port.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 11:23 AM   #9
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this guy uses mini matrox

Gh2 Capture Test 02 Matrox Mini HDMI 2K Resolution - YouTube
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Old August 12th, 2011, 11:25 AM   #10
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Panny GH2 + HDMI + Recorder = BINGO! Marvelsfilm’s Blog

I rely don;t know what to belive.

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Old August 12th, 2011, 11:48 AM   #11
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If I am not mistaken your thread is mostly about the hack I need to know about hdmi capture.
I'm talking about the thread I made about recording externally via HDMI for increased color information. It's only a couple of posts down.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 12:02 PM   #12
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I'd put my money into lenses, and concentrate on great shooting, if it were me.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 12:41 PM   #13
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Jeff, one of the big benefits of having more chroma (color) information (say, 4:2:2 vs. 4:2:0) is in color correction. It makes it easier to pull keys and such.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 05:15 PM   #14
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Panny GH2 + HDMI + Recorder = BINGO! Marvelsfilm’s Blog

I rely don;t know what to belive.

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Ric -- Since that blog post, Martin Beek at Marvelsfilm has successfully output clean GH2 HDMI to the Ninja. The results make me want to run out and buy one. See this video: GH2 HDMI output recorded with Atomos NINJA.

Here's Martin's blog post on the shoot.

Hope this is helpful.

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Old August 15th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #15
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Yes but is it 10 bit 4.2.2.?

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