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Old July 22nd, 2006, 11:35 AM   #1
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Sony's AVCHD cams announced

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer...DUCTS/HDR-SR1/

AVCHD is H.264 based agreed by Sony and Panasonic.

The ones by Sony seems to be only connected via USB.
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 10:18 AM   #2
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I don't understand why they don't use HDV as the recording spec......why introduce a new spec when we're just getting our NLE's to edit HDV!!!!

Soon their will be too many HD variants and incompatibilties across the board- NLE's will need constant updating to keep up with ever changind HD variants......I wish they would have followed DV and used it upscaled instead of the mpeg-2/4 variations.........

...Apple users will have the most problems as PC's account for far many users although Apple users are more prone to try video editing as their machines are touted for such purposes....

...technology presses on although in too many directions for mass adoption!
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 11:29 AM   #3
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I don't understand why they don't use HDV as the recording spec......why introduce a new spec when we're just getting our NLE's to edit HDV!!!!
We can only speculate what the manufacturers are thinking, but using AVC allows them to fit more recording time on non-tape media like DVDs and flash memory.
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Old July 23rd, 2006, 01:11 PM   #4
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I don't understand why they don't use HDV as the recording spec...
HDV by definition is a tape-based format (meaning, an HDV device can only be called HDV if it has a tape transport mechanism). AVCHD is a format designed to record to one of three tapeless mechanisms; those being either flash memory (SD card), three-inch DVD, or hard drive.
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Old July 24th, 2006, 01:09 AM   #5
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I will go to Sony Plaza

like how I did with FX1.

It looks like Sony will have a handson seminar at Sony Plaza in August with UX1.

http://www.sony.jp/event/iteseminar/...ux1/index.html
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My biggest worry is artifacts.
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Old July 24th, 2006, 08:48 PM   #7
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can somebody CONFIRM? no 24p this time???

Just want to know - definitely 60i at this point? Or any "p" as in 720 or... egads... 1080 24p - guess not, eh? Like, they would have touted it bigtime with the official news release...

dang!
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Old July 25th, 2006, 05:35 AM   #8
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Kaku

There is a bit of debate about the actual data rate these recorders are using over here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71876

About the meaning of the Japanese text next to VBR in this spec page:

http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer...-SR1/spec.html

It seems to be saying that 15mb/s is only the average, not the top bit rate. I am very eager to clarify which it is, because we could virtually order camera after first review, if it is only the average and not the max? If you could come over there and help use that would be good.


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Old July 25th, 2006, 11:16 AM   #9
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From the spec. describes,

High Vision (HD) Quality
Approx. 15Mbps@XP mode, Approx. 9Mbps@HQ mode, Approx. 7Mbps@SP mode, and Approx. 5Mbps@LP mode.

Standard Quality
Approx. 9Mbps@HQ mode, Approx. 6Mbps@SP mode, and Approx. 3Mbps@LP mode.

All is Variable bit rate. Doesn't say much about the top rate.

And for Mark's questions, it is basically 1080/60i.

Also, it has the same memory record function as HC3, 3 seconds of 240field/sec. capturing recorded as 12 seconds of 60field/sec (overcrank).

Also, records sound in surround with extra microphone.
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Kaku, thanks. Does the wording beside VBR, indicate that 15mb/s is an average figure, or does it just indicate that VRB is averaging?

Look forward to seeing your review ;).
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Kaku, thanks. Does the wording beside VBR, indicate that 15mb/s is an average figure, or does it just indicate that VRB is averaging?

Look forward to seeing your review ;).
The word in front of the numbers (yaku in japanese) mean approximately.
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Kaku, thank you very much for this, it is what i expected, does not really indicate that it is an average value.
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I forgot to ask, any cameras you plan on looking at around the place?


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Old July 27th, 2006, 03:41 AM   #14
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main specs translation

here is what my translation program spits out:

The main specifications

Opportunity
Ability

Table イメージセンサー
Image sensor イメージセンサー
Image sensor 1/3型クリアビッドCMOSセンサー
1 / 3 type clear ビッド CMOS sensor
記録画素数
The number of record pixels 静止画時
At the time of a still picture 最大400万画素相当
A maximum of 4 million pixels
総画素数
The total number of pixels 210万画素
2,100,000 pixels
有効画素数
The number of effective pixels 動画時
At the time of an animation 143万画素(16:9時) 108万画素(4:3時)
It is 1,080,000 pixels (4:3:00) 1,430,000 pixels (16:9:00).
静止画時
At the time of a still picture 149万画素(16:9時) 199万画素(4:3時)
It is 1,990,000 pixels (4:3:00) 1,490,000 pixels (16:9:00).
レンズ
Lens レンズ
Lens カール ツァイス「バリオ・ゾナーT*」レンズ
Curl ツァイス "バリオゾナーT*" lens
ズーム
Zoom 動画時
At the time of an animation 光学10倍 デジタル80倍:
10 times as many optics as this Digital 80 times as many as this :
プレシジョンデジタルズーム
Precision digital zoom
静止画時
At the time of a still picture 光学10倍
10 times as many optics as this
フォーカス
Focus 自動/手動(リング・タッチパネル)/リニアマッハAF
Automatic / manual operation (ring touch panel) / linear Mach AF
F値
F value F1.8~2.9 
F1.8~2.9
f(焦点距離)
f (focal length) f=5.1~51mm
f=5.1~51mm
f(35mm換算)
f (35mm conversion) 動画時
At the time of an animation f=41.3~485mm(16:9時) 50.5~594mm(4:3時)
f= 41.3-485mm (16:9:00) 50.5-594mm (4:3:00)
静止画時
At the time of a still picture f=40.4~404mm(16:9時) 37~370mm(4:3時)
f= 40.4-404mm (16:9:00) 37-370mm (4:3:00)
フィルター径
The diameter of a filter 30mm
オートレンズカバー
Auto lens cover ●
-
テレマクロ 
Tele broad view ●
-
ビューファインダー/
View finder/
液晶モニター
Liquid crystal display monitor ビューファインダー
View finder 0.27型(16:9)/12.3万ドット
0.27 type (16:9) / 123,000 dot
液晶モニター
Liquid crystal display monitor 3.5型(16:9)/21.1万ドット
3.5 type (16:9) / 211,000 dot
クリアフォト液晶プラス 
Clear photograph liquid-crystal plus
タッチパネル
Touch panel ●
-
カメラ
Camera 最低被写体照度
The minimum photographic subject illumination 11ルクス(ナイトショット撮影時0ルクス)
11 luxs (time of night shot photography 0 lux)
手ブレ補正機能
Blurring compensation function ●(新アクティブイメージエリア方式)
- (New active image area system)
シャッタースピード
Shutter speed 1/4~1/500秒*1
1/4-1/500 second *1
ホワイトバランス
White balance 自動/ワンプッシュ/屋外/屋内
Automatic / one push / outdoors / indoor
ホワイトバランスシフト
White balance shift ●(9段階)
- (Nine stages)
明るさ調整
Brightness adjustment ●
-
AEシフト
AE shift ●(9段階)
- (Nine stages)
逆光補正(ボタン)
Backlight compensation (button) ●
-
ゼブラパターン 
Zebra pattern ●
-
レコーダー/プレーヤー
A recorder/player 記録メディア
Record media ハードディスク
Hard disk
容量/サイズ
Capacity/size 30GB /1.8インチ
30GB / 1.8 inches
HDD落下保護機能
HDD fall protection function HDDスマートプロテクション
HDD smart protection
映像記録
Image record HD画質:MPEG4 AVC/H.264 SD画質:MPEG2
HD Quality-of-image: MPEG4 AVC/H.264 SD quality-of-image:MPEG 2
音声記録
Voice record ドルビーデジタル5.1ch(内蔵マイク)
ドルビー digital 5.1ch (built-in microphone)
ドルビーデジタル2ch(別売マイク)
ドルビー digital 2ch (option microphone)
風音低減
風音 reduction ●(自動)
- (automatic)
録音レベル調整
Recording level adjustment ●(2段階)
- (Two stages)
動画画質(平均ビットレート/VBR)
Animation quality of image (mean bit rate / VBR) ハイビジョン画質 
High-definition television quality of image
XP:約15Mbps/HQ:約9Mbps/SP:約7Mbps/LP:約5Mbps
XP: SP:abbreviation 7Mbps [ about 15 Mbpses/HQ:about 9 Mbpses /, and ]/LP gas:abbreviation 5Mbps
スタンダード画質 
Standard quality of image
HQ:約9Mbps/SP:約6Mbps/LP:約3Mbps
HQ: SP:abbreviation 6Mbps [ about 9 Mbpses / ]/LP gas:abbreviation 3Mbps
データコード 
Data code ●(撮影日時、カメラ情報)
- (Photography time, camera information)
オリジナル編集
Original edit ●(削除)
- (Deletion)
プレイリスト編集
Play list edit ●(追加、削除、移動)
- (An addition, deletion, movement)
静止画
Still picture 静止画サイズ
Still picture size 静止画モード時
At the time of the still picture mode 400万画素相当 4:3(2,3041,728)
4 million pixels 4:3 (2,304x1,728)
300万画素相当 16:9(2,3041,296)
3 million pixels 16:9 (2,304x1,296)
190万画素相当 4:3(1,6001,200)
1,900,000 pixels 4:3 (1,600x1,200)
30万画素相当 4:3(640480)
300,000 pixels 4:3 (640x480)
動画撮影時
At the time of animation photography 230万画素相当 16:9(2,0161,134)
2,300,000 pixels 16:9 (2,016x1,134)
170万画素相当 4:3(1,5121,134)*2
1,700,000 pixels 4:3 (1,512x1,134)*2
静止画記録メディア
Still picture record media メモリースティック デュオ/
"memory stick duet "/
メモリースティック PRO デュオ/ハードディスク
A "memory stick PRO duet" / hard disk
フラッシュ
Flash ●(プリフラッシュ調光)
- (プリフ rushes tone light)
ピクトブリッジ
ピクト bridge ●
-
その他
Others アクセサリーシュー
Accessories shoe ●(アクティブインターフェースシュー)
- (Active interface shoe)
本体内充電(付属バッテリーの満充電時間)
Charge in a main part (満充電 time of an attached battery) ●(約2時間30分)
- (About 2 hours and 30 minutes)



It needs.

Ratio



Table システム
System 映像入出力端子
Image input-and-output terminal HDMI端子
HDMI terminal ●
-
コンポーネント端子
Component terminal 特殊D端子(D3/D1出力対応)
Special D terminal (D3 / D1 output correspondence)
映像入出力
Image input and output 特殊コネクター(出力のみ)
Special connector (only output)
S映像入出力
S image input and output 特殊コネクター(出力のみ)(別売AVケーブル使用)
Special connector (only output) (option AV cable use)
音声入出力端子
Voice input-and-output terminal 特殊コネクター(出力のみ)(映像出力端子と兼用)
Special connector (only output) (an image output terminal and combination)
USB端子*3
USB terminal *3 ●(mini-B/USB2.0 Hi-Speed)
- (mini-B/USB2.0 Hi-Speed)
REMOTE(リモート)端子
REMOTE (remote) terminal ●
-
ヘッドホン端子
Headphone terminal ステレオミニジャック
Stereo mini jack
マイク入力
Microphone input ステレオミニジャック
Stereo mini jack
基本バッテリーシステム
Basic battery system インフォリチウムMシリーズ対応
"Information lithium" M series correspondence
電源電圧部
Power supply voltage part ACアダプター8.4V/バッテリー7.2V
AC adapter 8.4V/battery 7.2V
消費電力 
Power consumption
(動画撮影時)
(at the time of animation photography) ビューファインダー使用時
At the time of view finder use 4.8W
液晶モニター使用時
At the time of liquid crystal display monitor use 4.9W
外形寸法:幅高さ奥行*4
Outside Size: Width x height x depth *4
(付属バッテリー装着時)
(at the time of attached battery wearing) 7884165mm(7884165mm)
78x84x165mm (78x84x165mm)
本体質量
The amount of these constitutions 約640g
About 640g
撮影時総質量*5
the time of photography -- the total -- mass *5 約720g(NP-FM50〈本体付属品〉使用時)
About 720g (at the time of NP-FM50 <main part accessories> use)
約800g(NP-QM71使用時)
About 800g (at the time of NP-QM71 use)
約870g(NP-QM90使用時)
About 870g (at the time of NP-QM90 use)

*1:カラースローシャッターは1/4~1/250、なめらかスロー録画は1/240~1/500
*1: For a color slow shutter, 1 / 4 - 1/250, and smooth slow videotape recording are 1 / 240 - 1/500.
*2:スタンダード画質のみ
*2: Only standard quality of image
*3:WindowsR98以前、Mac OS X 10.1.5以前のOSを搭載したパソコンには対応していません。
*3: Don't correspond to the personal computer which carried OS before Mac OS X 10.1.5 before WindowsR98.
対応OS搭載パソコン以外のUSB端子搭載機器(テレビ、DVDレコーダーなど)での動画、静止画の再生・転送はできません
Reproduction and transmission of the animation in USB terminal loading apparatus other than a correspondence OS loading personal computer (television, DVD recorder, etc.) and a still picture cannot be performed.
*4:最大突起部を含む
*4: The maximum projection part is included.
*5:バッテリーを含んだ質量です
*5: It is the mass containing the battery.

付属品
Accessories
リチャージャブルバッテリーパック(NP-FM50)、ACアダプター 、特殊D端子コンポーネントビデオケーブル、AVケーブル、USBケーブル、CD-ROM(WindowsR用ソフト「Picture Mo tion Browser」) 、ワイヤレスリモコン(RMT-835)、その他 
a リチャージャ bull battery pack (NP-FM50) and AC adapter a special D terminal component video cable, AV cable, USB cable, CD-ROM (software for WindowsR "Picture Motion Browser"), and wireless remote control (RMT-835) -- in addition
*メモリースティック デュオ、メモリースティック PRO デュオは付属していません
* The "memory stick duet" and the "memory stick PRO duet" are not attached.

連続撮影時間の目安 (実用充電からさらに1時間充電すると満充電になります)
Standard of continuation photography time (it will become 満充電 if it charges from practical use charge for 1 hour)
ビューファインダー
View finder
使用時
At the time of use リチャージャブル
リチャージャブル
バッテリーパック 
Battery pack 連続撮影時間
Continuation photography time 実撮影時間
Real photography time
NP-QM91D 約6時間15分
About 6 hours and 15 minutes 約3時間25分
About 3 hours and 25 minutes
NP-QM71D 約4時間05分
About 4 hours and 05 minutes 約2時間15分
About 2 hours and 15 minutes
NP-FM50(付属品)
NP-FM50 (accessories) 約1時間40分
40 minutes per hour [ about ] 約55分
About 55 minutes

液晶モニター
Liquid crystal display monitor
使用時
At the time of use リチャージャブル
リチャージャブル
バッテリーパック 
Battery pack 連続撮影時間
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Old August 1st, 2006, 03:51 AM   #15
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I forgot to ask, any cameras you plan on looking at around the place?


Thanks

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What do you mean, to compare to this? I'm looking into the new Canon and JVC. I think Canon would be more versatile. For SR1, I'm looking into this because of a solution for schools to adapt whole media creation education.

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