Panasonic Announces HDC-SD1 AVCHD Camcorder

Wes Vasher · November 10th, 2006, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Smet

I still say the best workflow is to use an Intensity card and capture the AVCHD through HDMI into a mjpeg based Blackmagic HD AVI file and edit that way.

That's what I was thinking too Thomas. Do you know if you can capture directly to Blackmagic's JPEG codec from the camera or do you have to first capture uncompressed and then transcode? I couldn't find this answer on their Intensity site and am about to Email them about it.

It would be great of course like you say to capture directly to a JPEG codec as you wouldn't need a disk array like with the uncompressed.

Wayne Morellini · November 10th, 2006, 09:16 AM

I talked to my local store today, and was told that Panasonic plans a range of hard drive cameras next year, and that JVC might have their HD hard drive camera out by Christmas.

Intensity will record to Photo Jpeg live as far as I know. It was discussed in the news thread on the AVCHD that was taken down to be repaired. Chris was planning to put it back up again, but it looks like it didn't. It had most of the answers on Intensity's HDMI capture.

Wayne Morellini · November 10th, 2006, 09:18 AM

I'm still curious, will this HDMI be interlace?

Wes Vasher · November 10th, 2006, 09:36 AM

The Panasonic site says it sends 1080i or 480p out over HDMI, whatever that means.

Paulo Teixeira · November 10th, 2006, 05:20 PM

Besides the included memory card I think the other reason why the HDC-SD1 is more expensive is because it’s more attractive to the consumer because of the compact size and the DVD version looks awkward. At least that’s my opinion.

Wayne Morellini · November 10th, 2006, 10:10 PM

I agree, but the reality should be different, the disk mechanism costs, and the disks cost less.

Wes, can we trust that to be the full story.

Unless it has progressive, I think I will skip now. I would prefer 50fps progressive.

Jerry Jones · November 10th, 2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira

Besides the included memory card I think the other reason why the HDC-SD1 is more expensive is because it’s more attractive to the consumer because of the compact size and the DVD version looks awkward. At least that’s my opinion.

True, however, they're also banking on the fact some consumers will want a camcorder that will provide "instant gratification" to those who simply want to pop the 8cm DVD disc out of the camcorder and then insert it into a Blu-ray Disc player and watch the high definition display.

But I agree the DVD version looks odd.

The official page for that model is here:

http://panasonic.jp/dvc/dx1/

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Wes Vasher · November 11th, 2006, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Morellini

I agree, but the reality should be different, the disk mechanism costs, and the disks cost less.

Wes, can we trust that to be the full story.

Unless it has progressive, I think I will skip now. I would prefer 50fps progressive.

I can't see how it aquires anything but 1080i. There doesn't seem to be any info anywhere that would say otherwise but we'll have to wait and see to be sure I suppose. I would prefer progressive but at least they included HDMI and a Microphone port. Can't wait to see what the video looks like.

Mike Lewis · December 7th, 2006, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Wes Vasher

Can't wait to see what the video looks like.

Stills appear to look like this:
http://www.simplydv.co.uk/newsitems/...c-sd1_dx1.html
I look forward to seeing some motion stuff somewhere!

Wayne Morellini · December 7th, 2006, 05:07 PM

If it has video quality like that, it would be acceptable. This is what I expected from the higher latitude, bigger sensor pads, in the pixel shifted CCD's. Looks like the Sanyo HD1 a little, but without the compromises. But video quality can always be dumbed down.

Too expensive, if they only had progressive 1080 24mb/s, or half the price. As it is it has to compete with better HDV cameras. I would love to see the video reviews.

Peter Solmssen · December 7th, 2006, 06:39 PM

Interesting that the bulkier but cheaper DVD model has a viewfinder and the SD model does not -- though I am not sure how useful it is with the battery sticking out of the back.

The SD-1 is attractive for me, but I would like to know what Sanyo's next move will be. I have certainly been pleased with the HD-1, and AVCHD seen so far doesn't look that fabulous on the HDTV.

Paulo Teixeira · December 8th, 2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Solmssen

The SD-1 is attractive for me, but I would like to know what Sanyo's next move will be. I have certainly been pleased with the HD-1, and AVCHD seen so far doesn't look that fabulous on the HDTV.

Lest not forget that Samsung has yet to release their own H.264 camcorder and so far it’s been delayed.

Wayne Morellini · December 9th, 2006, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Solmssen

Interesting that the bulkier but cheaper DVD model has a viewfinder and the SD model does not -- though I am not sure how useful it is with the battery sticking out of the back.

The SD-1 is attractive for me, but I would like to know what Sanyo's next move will be. I have certainly been pleased with the HD-1, and AVCHD seen so far doesn't look that fabulous on the HDTV.

Maybe they will all show at CES (Samsung Sanyo, JVC). The Panasonics are coming in March in the States. Maybe the other cameras will be similar. I wish they would put a HD1a like camera in a Pocket PC phone (but much better, like 19mb/s, fast aperture, better sensor).

John Godden · December 9th, 2006, 03:59 PM

Does anyone know how to translate the listed FL for this new Pani camcorder into 35mm equivalent?

Is the conversion just the ratio of the 1/4" to 35mm (5.51:1)? I don't this so because the #'s just don't 'add up' given the stated FL's of Does anyone know how to translate the listed FL for this new Pani camcorder into 35mm equivalent? The listed FL is 3-30 mm.

Thanks
JohnG

Luc Saint-Elie · December 12th, 2006, 11:37 AM

Hello,

I had the opportunity to use one during one day, and my first (and ok.. very light) sensations are :

1- I small, looks very close to a HC3 very different from previous Pana SD Card camcorder
2- no viewfinder, small but good screen
3- obvious command organization, no need to open the book
4- can accept a mic (mic input)
5- rather quick start

for the rest it's like any other small camcorder.

The results ar rather good. I've been immensely disappointed by Sony AVCHD that provides good images by good light but has a high, too high, far too high noise level as soon s the light goes down
It's not a measurement -like advice, just my eyes advice but Panasonic noise level seem much much better
By good light the images are surprisingly good.

I think its a rather good camera probably better then the Sony

The problem right now is the software to convert files I've not seen it but I've been told that it's no way better than the Sony one and the Sony one is awful.

Luc

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December 9th, 2006, 03:59 PM	#29
John Godden Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 172	FL of the new Pani corders? Does anyone know how to translate the listed FL for this new Pani camcorder into 35mm equivalent? Is the conversion just the ratio of the 1/4" to 35mm (5.51:1)? I don't this so because the #'s just don't 'add up' given the stated FL's of Does anyone know how to translate the listed FL for this new Pani camcorder into 35mm equivalent? The listed FL is 3-30 mm. Thanks JohnG Last edited by John Godden; December 9th, 2006 at 07:03 PM.

December 12th, 2006, 11:37 AM	#30
Luc Saint-Elie New Boot Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paris-France Posts: 20	Pana SD1 AVCHD Hello, I had the opportunity to use one during one day, and my first (and ok.. very light) sensations are : 1- I small, looks very close to a HC3 very different from previous Pana SD Card camcorder 2- no viewfinder, small but good screen 3- obvious command organization, no need to open the book 4- can accept a mic (mic input) 5- rather quick start for the rest it's like any other small camcorder. The results ar rather good. I've been immensely disappointed by Sony AVCHD that provides good images by good light but has a high, too high, far too high noise level as soon s the light goes down It's not a measurement -like advice, just my eyes advice but Panasonic noise level seem much much better By good light the images are surprisingly good. I think its a rather good camera probably better then the Sony The problem right now is the software to convert files I've not seen it but I've been told that it's no way better than the Sony one and the Sony one is awful. Luc

November 10th, 2006, 09:16 AM	#17
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	I talked to my local store today, and was told that Panasonic plans a range of hard drive cameras next year, and that JVC might have their HD hard drive camera out by Christmas. Intensity will record to Photo Jpeg live as far as I know. It was discussed in the news thread on the AVCHD that was taken down to be repaired. Chris was planning to put it back up again, but it looks like it didn't. It had most of the answers on Intensity's HDMI capture.

November 10th, 2006, 09:18 AM	#18
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	I'm still curious, will this HDMI be interlace?

November 10th, 2006, 09:36 AM	#19
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	The Panasonic site says it sends 1080i or 480p out over HDMI, whatever that means.

November 10th, 2006, 10:10 PM	#21
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	I agree, but the reality should be different, the disk mechanism costs, and the disks cost less. Wes, can we trust that to be the full story. Unless it has progressive, I think I will skip now. I would prefer 50fps progressive.

December 7th, 2006, 05:07 PM	#25
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	If it has video quality like that, it would be acceptable. This is what I expected from the higher latitude, bigger sensor pads, in the pixel shifted CCD's. Looks like the Sanyo HD1 a little, but without the compromises. But video quality can always be dumbed down. Too expensive, if they only had progressive 1080 24mb/s, or half the price. As it is it has to compete with better HDV cameras. I would love to see the video reviews.

December 7th, 2006, 06:39 PM	#26
Peter Solmssen Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Palo Alto, CA Posts: 133	Interesting that the bulkier but cheaper DVD model has a viewfinder and the SD model does not -- though I am not sure how useful it is with the battery sticking out of the back. The SD-1 is attractive for me, but I would like to know what Sanyo's next move will be. I have certainly been pleased with the HD-1, and AVCHD seen so far doesn't look that fabulous on the HDTV.