Panasonic Announces HDC-SD1 AVCHD Camcorder at DVinfo.net

Peter Solmssen · November 8th, 2006, 04:07 AM

The press release with extensive details on the SD based model as well as another DVD based model can be found in machine translation at:
http://translate.google.com/translat...006-17,GGGL:en
The SD model is to be available in Japan on December 1, the DVD model in mid-December.

Wes Vasher · November 8th, 2006, 08:46 AM

This camera is very small and SD cards only on one of them, very cool.

Some tidbits...

HDMI 1.2a
1080i, 1440x1080 video recording
6,9, or 13Mbps
Microphone port
USB 2
Internal battery bay on SD Card model and external on DVD model

Jerry Jones · November 8th, 2006, 04:32 PM

Panasonic's HDC-SD1 AVCHD camcorder page is now up in Japan:

http://tinyurl.com/y53ctu

It's quite interesting, in my humble opinion.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Peter Solmssen · November 8th, 2006, 08:33 PM

Interesting that the less expensive DVD version has a viewfinder and the SD version does not.

Jemore Santos · November 9th, 2006, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Solmssen

Interesting that the less expensive DVD version has a viewfinder and the SD version does not.

Where did you get that from? they both have...

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...nd-HDC-DX1.htm

Jerry Jones · November 9th, 2006, 01:46 AM

The official English press release by PANASONIC is now up:

http://tinyurl.com/yeb6pn

"Their high-sensitivity features also allow for shooting in poorly-lit situations - for example, as low as six lux."

Amazing, if true.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Peter Solmssen · November 9th, 2006, 03:15 AM

The specifications on the Panasonic site list a viewfinder for the DVD model and show just a dash in the viewfinder space for the SD model. There are lots of good pictures, and I see no evidence of a viewfinder on the SD model. I think Camcorderinfo got it wrong.

Wes Vasher · November 9th, 2006, 09:48 AM

It's strange that the DVD model is cheaper as it includes a viewfinder+dvd writer. The extra cost of the SD card model must be in the bundled SD card, what other explanation could there be? If the DX1 can also record to SD card I think that would make that more popular.

Steve Nunez · November 9th, 2006, 10:04 AM

As soon as someone get's an editing workflow sorted out (as well as support in NLE's) these things should take off!

Wayne Morellini · November 9th, 2006, 11:04 AM

I was surprised that nobody had already posted on News when I posted my thread on the announcement. I guess this was moved from there first.

The SD1 version sounds more like what I would expect from one of those $799 h264 cameras talked about earlier in the year. I wonder if the price will fall when higher spec versions come.

Wayne Morellini · November 9th, 2006, 11:39 AM

What is this progressive mode listed under shutter?:

http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

It also mentions progressive CCD's on the first page:

http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

I wonder if the HDMI will do the progressive frames.

Hse Kha · November 9th, 2006, 11:47 AM

I am very dissapointed. I was expecting something much smaller, with higher resolution and better bit rate. 8GB SD cards are already just $250 so why not have 24Mbits/s? And 520K CCDs? Please! And it weighs more than the Canon HV10! 490g for this versus 480g for the HV10.

Cliff Gilmour · November 9th, 2006, 12:40 PM

wow, no component output, just HDMI! Is there a way to convert HDI to component?

Jerry Jones · November 9th, 2006, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Gilmour

wow, no component output, just HDMI! Is there a way to convert HDI to component?

There appears to be a component output.

Take a second look at the photos.

The component output is also listed by CamcorderInfo.com's article:

http://tinyurl.com/y9sdxt

"The new Panasonics include HDMI terminals, as well as AV and component jacks."

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Thomas Smet · November 9th, 2006, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Nunez

As soon as someone get's an editing workflow sorted out (as well as support in NLE's) these things should take off!

I still say the best workflow is to use an Intensity card and capture the AVCHD through HDMI into a mjpeg based Blackmagic HD AVI file and edit that way. Yes the filesize is larger but it is still small enough to fit the bandwidth of a single SATA harddrive. The quality may not be any better but the editing will flow much better on the mjpeg files compared to editing the native AVCHD files.

CPU power will get better and NLE's may be able to edit AVCHD footage in the future but even then it is going to be slow for FX and realtime processing. Using a different codec such as mjpeg (through Intensity and HDMI) or Cineform (if they ever add AVCHD support) will allow the cpu and gpu to be used for FX and realtime processing.

November 8th, 2006, 04:07 AM	#1
Peter Solmssen Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Palo Alto, CA Posts: 133	Pansonic Announce AVCHD Cam The press release with extensive details on the SD based model as well as another DVD based model can be found in machine translation at: http://translate.google.com/translat...006-17,GGGL:en The SD model is to be available in Japan on December 1, the DVD model in mid-December.

November 8th, 2006, 08:46 AM	#2
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	Some tidbits... This camera is very small and SD cards only on one of them, very cool. Some tidbits... HDMI 1.2a 1080i, 1440x1080 video recording 6,9, or 13Mbps Microphone port USB 2 Internal battery bay on SD Card model and external on DVD model

November 8th, 2006, 04:32 PM	#3
Jerry Jones Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 54	Panasonic Announces HDC-SD1 AVCHD Camcorder Panasonic's HDC-SD1 AVCHD camcorder page is now up in Japan: http://tinyurl.com/y53ctu It's quite interesting, in my humble opinion. Jerry Jones http://www.jonesgroup.net

November 9th, 2006, 10:04 AM	#9
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	As soon as someone get's an editing workflow sorted out (as well as support in NLE's) these things should take off! __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

November 9th, 2006, 11:04 AM	#10
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	I was surprised that nobody had already posted on News when I posted my thread on the announcement. I guess this was moved from there first. The SD1 version sounds more like what I would expect from one of those $799 h264 cameras talked about earlier in the year. I wonder if the price will fall when higher spec versions come. Last edited by Wayne Morellini; November 9th, 2006 at 11:40 AM.

November 8th, 2006, 08:33 PM	#4
Peter Solmssen Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Palo Alto, CA Posts: 133	Interesting that the less expensive DVD version has a viewfinder and the SD version does not.

November 9th, 2006, 01:46 AM	#6
Jerry Jones Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 54	The official English press release by PANASONIC is now up: http://tinyurl.com/yeb6pn "Their high-sensitivity features also allow for shooting in poorly-lit situations - for example, as low as six lux." Amazing, if true. Jerry Jones http://www.jonesgroup.net

November 9th, 2006, 03:15 AM	#7
Peter Solmssen Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Palo Alto, CA Posts: 133	The specifications on the Panasonic site list a viewfinder for the DVD model and show just a dash in the viewfinder space for the SD model. There are lots of good pictures, and I see no evidence of a viewfinder on the SD model. I think Camcorderinfo got it wrong.

November 9th, 2006, 09:48 AM	#8
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	It's strange that the DVD model is cheaper as it includes a viewfinder+dvd writer. The extra cost of the SD card model must be in the bundled SD card, what other explanation could there be? If the DX1 can also record to SD card I think that would make that more popular.

November 9th, 2006, 11:39 AM	#11
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	What is this progressive mode listed under shutter?: http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools It also mentions progressive CCD's on the first page: http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools I wonder if the HDMI will do the progressive frames.

November 9th, 2006, 11:47 AM	#12
Hse Kha Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New England Posts: 195	I am very dissapointed. I was expecting something much smaller, with higher resolution and better bit rate. 8GB SD cards are already just $250 so why not have 24Mbits/s? And 520K CCDs? Please! And it weighs more than the Canon HV10! 490g for this versus 480g for the HV10.

November 9th, 2006, 12:40 PM	#13
Cliff Gilmour New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Amsterdam Netherlands Posts: 21	wow, no component output, just HDMI! Is there a way to convert HDI to component?