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Old April 28th, 2006, 10:49 AM   #1
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HD100/200/250 and Avid Liquid 7.1

I had read on a previous thread that Liquid 7.1 will be able to handle JVC's PROHD, but will this also include the new 60P format or just 24P?
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Old April 28th, 2006, 11:21 AM   #2
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I had read on a previous thread that Liquid 7.1 will be able to handle JVC's PROHD, but will this also include the new 60P format or just 24P?
The short answer is yes to 60p.

Liquid is designed to work with HDV. Coincidentally, I've been thinking of producing some "seat of my pants" productions on HOW to edit ProHD for film, dvd, broadcast (HDV to (SP) BetaSP/DVCam & HDTV) and internet delivery (flv, wmv, divx, mp4, mpeg) with Liquid 7.1

I demonstrated the workflow for the Chicago user group and JVC in March using the BR-50 deck.
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Old April 28th, 2006, 11:23 AM   #3
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does it support PAL's 25p on the HD100E or HD101E?
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Old April 28th, 2006, 11:28 AM   #4
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Yes,

I verfied the workflow for another user just last week. Capture, edit, dump to tape works for HDV25p and PAL as well.

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Old April 28th, 2006, 11:46 AM   #5
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What if I donít want to dump to tape, just edit and down convert for DVD?

This is probably a stupid question, but im still learning.
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Old April 28th, 2006, 11:57 AM   #6
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The question is valid. Liquid will scale the HDV to DVD 16x9.

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Old April 28th, 2006, 12:05 PM   #7
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Thankyou for help
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Old April 28th, 2006, 06:41 PM   #8
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The short answer is yes to 60p.

Liquid is designed to work with HDV.
I was really impressed by the Liguid demo -- except for the typical Pinnacle software crash -- but was blown away when they said it didn't handle 24p or 24F.
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Old April 28th, 2006, 06:49 PM   #9
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Liquid does handle 24p film workflow in HD(V) (capture, edit, output).

Liquid does not handle 24p in in DV (sorry DVX100 users).
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Old April 28th, 2006, 07:44 PM   #10
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I don't think there is a 24p capture yet even with 7.1, but it will certainly import and edit 24p assets. The complete native workflow is definitely a heavily requested feature and Avid are aware of this.

"except for the typical Pinnacle software crash"
It is actually quite unusual for Liquid 7.1 to crash. Every NLE will crash as some stage, but I can edit with Liquid all day without a single crash. Luckily of course the only inconvenience with a crash and Liquid is the need to either reboot or start Liquid again, you'll never loose any work unlike all other NLEs. Don't forget crash's can be caused by many things other than the application itself.

If you are concerned about these minor issues, just use your SSF mentality and work around the minor idiosyncities...
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Old April 28th, 2006, 08:00 PM   #11
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Have fun with this 24p workflow w/Liquid 7

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Old April 28th, 2006, 09:41 PM   #12
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I don't think there is a 24p capture yet even with 7.1, but it will certainly import and edit 24p assets.

That's exactly what the Avid guy said. No capture of 24p or 24F. Which may also mean no export of 24p or 24F back to HDV.

But, Stephen says there is.

So we need a clarification on both capture and export from and to tape.

And, yes the crash did allow him to demonstrate that nothing is lost with a crash. Stephen, what's the reliability you experience with 7.1?
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Old April 29th, 2006, 04:26 AM   #13
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"So we need a clarification on both capture and export from and to tape."
That is accurate. It is an file in/file out only process at the moment.

"Stephen, what's the reliability you experience with 7.1?"
Unless Stephen is a beta tester it is unlikely he will have 7.1 yet, it is yet to be formally released. We really aren't meant to openly discuss it yet. I have probably already said too much even if it was positive.
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Old April 29th, 2006, 06:36 AM   #14
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It is an file in/file out only process at the moment.
Which makes it as useless as everything else, but CineForm with Premiere Pro and Canopus EDIUS (especially V4 coming next month).

No capture -- no edit.
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Old April 29th, 2006, 06:46 AM   #15
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Not really, from what I have heard you just capture with DVHS. Import the assets and edit native.

It's no different to my DV workflow where I always capture with Scenelyzer Live and import to Liquid (done it this way since using Premiere 6).

It's a process that is quick and easy and doesn't compromise any of your footage or quality like other apparently acceptable issues in some products everyone is so happy to just accept.
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