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Old February 11th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #1
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Tolkein Family sues New Line over LOTR gross

"The suit, filed Monday, claims New Line was required to pay 7.5 percent of gross receipts to Tolkien's estate and other plaintiffs, who contend they only received an upfront payment of $62,500 for the three movies before production began."

See http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080211/...olkien_lawsuit

"The plaintiffs seek more than $150 million in compensatory damages, unspecified punitive damages and a court order giving the Tolkien estate the right to terminate any rights New Line may have to make films based on other works by the author, including "The Hobbit."

Such an order would scuttle plans by New Line to make a two-film prequel..."
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Old February 11th, 2008, 09:59 PM   #2
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I wouldn't be surprised if the New Line sharks claim tremendous losses, even on six billion dollars, through Hollywood Accounting.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 05:13 AM   #3
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After the debacle with Peter Jackson who was refused to look in the books of New Line Cinema, to see it they payed him the correct amount of gross profits, this is becoming a bit disconcerning... Something can't be right over there... or am I looking into it too much?
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Old February 12th, 2008, 08:22 AM   #4
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If this is true it is really sad.

It seems the larger the amount of money, the larger the potential for greed.

This trilogy created an obscene amount of revenue.

I hope they did the right thing and compensate the those who created it.
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This kind of behavior is rapidly becoming de riguer in the film industry.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 09:32 AM   #6
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For those of you who are unfamiliar with 'hollywood accounting'-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
Gives a brief overview of how the books are juggled. For example, "Forrest Gump" showed no profit. Go figure.

For an in depth look at how fighting a hollywood studio looks, I highly reccomend "FATAL SUBTRACTION- How Hollywood Really Does Business" -The Inside Story of Buchwald V. Paramount. This will give you nightmares, but if you think there is even a REMOTE chance you might be dealing with a studio, it's imperitive you read it.

It also helps you understand WHY the Writers Guild went on strike, and how hard it is to get a solid accounting of income on anything.

Makes me glad I'm married to an IP Attorney.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 11:44 AM   #7
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For those of you who are unfamiliar with 'hollywood accounting'-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
Gives a brief overview of how the books are juggled. For example, "Forrest Gump" showed no profit. Go figure.

For an in depth look at how fighting a hollywood studio looks, I highly reccomend "FATAL SUBTRACTION- How Hollywood Really Does Business" -The Inside Story of Buchwald V. Paramount. This will give you nightmares, but if you think there is even a REMOTE chance you might be dealing with a studio, it's imperitive you read it.

It also helps you understand WHY the Writers Guild went on strike, and how hard it is to get a solid accounting of income on anything.

Makes me glad I'm married to an IP Attorney.
Wow... read the wikipedia article... Maybe I'm going to look naive stating this, but I really was shocked by this... Claiming a movie that costed 35 million dollar, and earned 350 million dollar, that it was a loss? How do they even try to get away with it?
And if I read the article, most of the time they do...
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Old February 12th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #8
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Maybe I'm going to look naive stating this, but I really was shocked
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Old February 12th, 2008, 12:06 PM   #9
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One of the reasons "Shakespeare in Love" was such a brilliant film, on so many levels, is that it took a real poke at the industry. There's a great moment when the money lender is talking to the theatre owner about how to make money, he says about paying the actors "We'll offer them a share of the profits!" to which the owner says "But there's never any profit... OH! I say, you might be on to something!"

Yeah, it's a real minefield negtiating any kind of payment.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 01:17 PM   #10
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Scary indeed.

I wonder what the AICPA has to say about H-wood's practices. I would think there are some clever attorneys and/or forensic accountants who could compare such bogus dealings to "accepted standards", "best practices", and GAAP. Then, perhaps, charges of fraud would result, which would make it a criminal offense and lend credence to the claims of those who were cheated out of what they were due.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 05:36 PM   #11
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Dennis,

From the Buchwald V Paramount case on Wikipedia -

"Hollywood accounting has long been derided as a cynical attempt by movie studios to cheat individual authors out of royalty payments. The accounting formulas used by the studios have allegedly been designed specifically to ensure that it is almost mathematically impossible for any movie to show a net profit. Specifically, the net profit formula in authors' contracts does not correspond to the net profit formula of generally accepted accounting principles that the movie studios use when creating their financial statements that are reported to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and to the investing public. The "unconscionable" formula in the authors' contracts effectively double-counts many costs borne by the movie studio.

Some commentators have claimed this lawsuit was a watershed that would affect Hollywood's payments to anyone who enjoyed "profit participation", by forcing a change to the net profit formulas. However, another California Superior Court ruled in Batfilm Productions v. Warner Bros. in the case of the 1989 Batman movie that a similar formula was not unconscionable. To date, there has been no review of this type of claim by an appellate court, meaning that the superior courts cannot look to an appellate court's decision for guidance. The "watershed" role of this lawsuit has therefore not been demonstrated "


So - One court has ruled that a similar accounting formula was not unconscionable... as long as it's used for the writers/actors contracts. Thats why the clause you're looking for in your contract should read something like "Determined in the same manner as the producer's percentage" - Its an uphill battle, no doubt about it. If you're really curious as to how it is being fought - I really do reccomend the book "FATAL SUBTRACTION" (Remember, who went to jail In ENRON accounting?)
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