Official Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith *spoiler free ONLY before 5/19*

Aaron Koolen · May 22nd, 2005, 06:39 PM

Just saw it last night...

Darth didn't quite sound the same, but maybe they did that to still keep some JEJ sound as well as the Anakin sound.

Anyway, I went in not expecting much and that's what I got, so I guess I have to be pleased ;)

I thought Anakin's turn from struggle with himself to slaughtering anything insight was rather stupid (Unbelievably quick)

Did Palpatine need to write, in think felt pen, "Excuse me, I am a Sith Lord and I want to turn you evil" on his forehead before Anakin realied he was a bad guy? Obviously, cause Anaking just didn't get it.

There was nothing new in there, it was a linear progression from the previous movie to Darth Vader. I would have liked to have seen something that made me think.

Lucas' love for slapstick just annoys me. The first 10-15 minutes was like a Charlie Chaplin movie - I hate jokey robots.

I agree Padme could have almost been removed and lost nothing.

On the good side, I liked Palpatine. How when talking with Anakin, he'd move between sounding like an evil mother, to a genuinely nice guy who cared about Anakin. Well done on his part.

I liked all the varied vehicles and things, really interesting and rich - and I always like Yoda. Although, having just about kicked Palpatine's arse, he goes "I must go into exile, I have failed" rather than "I'll take a breather for a day or two, go back, with another Jedi, and deal to him."

Sorry to be so negative, I guess I was really hoping that something really good would happen this time. People had been building it up, telling me it was "darker" and "way better" than the other two, so I gave it a chance.

Aaron

Christopher C. Murphy · May 22nd, 2005, 06:40 PM

This is just to much! Look who was almost the voice of Vader!

Looks like James Eark Jones is a pretty nice guy. But, not with Verizon. ;)

http://www.mckeeth.org/2005/05/almost-darth-vader.shtml

Aaron Koolen · May 22nd, 2005, 07:24 PM

If it's true, then THANK CHRIST! Imagine him as Darth Vader! ARRRRGHHH!

Aaron

Yi Fong Yu · May 23rd, 2005, 06:19 AM

James Earl Jones already confirmed he voiced ROTS during several interviews. last few minutes of episode3.

Joshua Starnes · May 23rd, 2005, 10:36 AM

Darth didn't quite sound the same, but maybe they did that to still keep some JEJ sound as well as the Anakin sound.

Well, he is about 20 years older than the last time he voiced Vader. Harrison Ford doesn't sound exactly like Han Solo any more either.

There was nothing new in there, it was a linear progression from the previous movie to Darth Vader. I would have liked to have seen something that made me think.

It depends on whose watching it. If you come in as a fan of the OT, no there aren't any major plot twists. How could there be? Why should there be? On the other hand, if you come in watching in numerical order with no knowledge of the next four films, the entire thing is a big plot twist that you won't see coming. It seems to me Lucas has tried to make a film both for the older fans, and for future ones.

Lucas' love for slapstick just annoys me. The first 10-15 minutes was like a Charlie Chaplin movie - I hate jokey robots.

What's wrong with Charlie Chaplin? He was a genius. Made some of the best films ever made.

I agree Padme could have almost been removed and lost nothing.

Except of course Anakin would then have no reason to do anything that he does.

It feels like Lucas really made something this time. I can't wait to see what he directs next.

Imran Zaidi · May 23rd, 2005, 11:30 AM

Jokey robots, I would say, is consistent with the Star Wars world. Heck look at the Return of the Jedi - some pretty goofy robots in there. I find it entertaining personally - gives me a giggle just like it's supposed to.

And I agree on the Padme thing - while she wasn't developed further too much, and her death was very uneventful, she still was critical to the development of Darth Vader's character and absolutely couldn't have been just removed from the movie. Seen as a single movie, though, yes, Padme's character was seriously lacking.

Overall, if I had to cut one single thing out of the film, or changed it, it would be the Darth Vader "noooooooo" bit at the end. So ridiculous people in my audience giggled, even though the moments leading up to it pretty much had you in the exact right emotional tone.

Matt Stahley · May 23rd, 2005, 12:53 PM

Is it me or was Yoda the best "actor" in the film? I

Alfred Okocha · May 23rd, 2005, 12:58 PM

"Darth didn't quite sound the same, but maybe they did that to still keep some JEJ sound as well as the Anakin sound."

"Well, he is about 20 years older than the last time he voiced Vader. Harrison Ford doesn't sound exactly like Han Solo any more either."

A reply to a reply..
I think that voices don't change that much with age.. But I thought that in this case the voice was distinctly different. But since Yi Fong Yu already confirmed his presence maybe it's all in my head. I'll see it again just to make sure.. ;-) Since the it was sold out digitally I'll have another excuse to go watch it again..

BTW, How did that marathon you mentioned, Yi, go? Are you sure you weren't all asleep at the end?

Joshua Starnes · May 23rd, 2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred Okocha

I think that voices don't change that much with age.. But I thought that in this case the voice was distinctly different.

They do, especially between youth and old age. A lot of people have been saying things about they don't think it's Vader, it doesn't sound right . . . I don't know where that comes from. It is most definitely James Earl Jones doing the voice, he and Lucasfilm have said so many times.

Alfred Okocha · May 23rd, 2005, 09:30 PM

Well, of course there's difference between the voice of a man and a boy, other than that I think we have to agree to disagree..
I also don't doubt that the voice belongs to Mr Jones. If it comes from Lucas.. who am I to say i doesn't..?

On another note I think Hayden remains a week actor. I also think that Lucas himself is a much better storyteller than director. He uses technology in a wonderful way of course and has pushed the limits everytime with Star Wars. BUT other than techwise I think he fails to bring out the best of his cast and is not innovating at all with camera movements, angels or cuts.. Of course it's all IMHO and no intent to offend anybody. I do appreciate the whole series though as a great story! Enough ranted..sorry. ;-l

Aaron Koolen · May 23rd, 2005, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Starnes

They do, especially between youth and old age. A lot of people have been saying things about they don't think it's Vader, it doesn't sound right . . . I don't know where that comes from. It is most definitely James Earl Jones doing the voice, he and Lucasfilm have said so many times.

It sounds like James Earl Jones, but it does sound different, definately. When I heard it I assumed they melded JEJ and Annakin's a little so that we would believe it was Annakin but still believe it was as the original. I mean hey, I'm sure his voice must break a little more or something between EP3 and EP4 - there is 20 years or so between them no?

Aaron

Kenn Christenson · May 24th, 2005, 09:08 AM

I suspect that those people in Australia who listed "Jedi" as their religeon on a census will be reconsidering their choice. The Jedi come off as a rather cold-hearted lot.

Is it "Jedi-like" to leave Anakin aka Darth Vader to be burned alive, when Obi-wan could clearly have saved him?

Chris Hurd · May 24th, 2005, 10:40 AM

Or at least euthanized him. But then we wouldn't have Episodes 4, 5 and 6.

Pete Bauer · May 24th, 2005, 11:06 AM

Yeah Kenn,

I think you're being way too tough on poor ol' Obi-wan! To approximate a quote from the judge in Caddyshack, "I've sent boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to. Felt I (...dramatic pause...) owed it to 'em." Anakin had it comin'! ;-)

I'd still rather be a Jedi than a Sith...unless, of course, The Great Truth holds even in the Empire that the bad boys get all the hottest babes! (Clarification for my wife: "Why, yes, I AM a bad boy!" ...whew, that was a close brush with a fate worse than Anakin's!)

Kenn Christenson · May 24th, 2005, 11:16 AM

"But then we wouldn't have Episodes 4, 5 and 6."

I guess that was the primary problem with this film; everything had to line up for IV, V and VI, regardless of how silly (Vader's "Noooo!") or unconvincing; Anakin's all too rapid and barely motivated turn to the "Dark Side."

Oft heard line: "What's my motivation?"

Reply: "Your motivation is that I can go out that door and find at least a dozen other people to replace you."

"Thanks for clarifying that, Mr. Lucas."

May 22nd, 2005, 06:39 PM	#16
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Just saw it last night... Darth didn't quite sound the same, but maybe they did that to still keep some JEJ sound as well as the Anakin sound. Anyway, I went in not expecting much and that's what I got, so I guess I have to be pleased ;) I thought Anakin's turn from struggle with himself to slaughtering anything insight was rather stupid (Unbelievably quick) Did Palpatine need to write, in think felt pen, "Excuse me, I am a Sith Lord and I want to turn you evil" on his forehead before Anakin realied he was a bad guy? Obviously, cause Anaking just didn't get it. There was nothing new in there, it was a linear progression from the previous movie to Darth Vader. I would have liked to have seen something that made me think. Lucas' love for slapstick just annoys me. The first 10-15 minutes was like a Charlie Chaplin movie - I hate jokey robots. I agree Padme could have almost been removed and lost nothing. On the good side, I liked Palpatine. How when talking with Anakin, he'd move between sounding like an evil mother, to a genuinely nice guy who cared about Anakin. Well done on his part. I liked all the varied vehicles and things, really interesting and rich - and I always like Yoda. Although, having just about kicked Palpatine's arse, he goes "I must go into exile, I have failed" rather than "I'll take a breather for a day or two, go back, with another Jedi, and deal to him." Sorry to be so negative, I guess I was really hoping that something really good would happen this time. People had been building it up, telling me it was "darker" and "way better" than the other two, so I gave it a chance. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

May 22nd, 2005, 06:40 PM	#17
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	This is just to much! Look who was almost the voice of Vader! Looks like James Eark Jones is a pretty nice guy. But, not with Verizon. ;) http://www.mckeeth.org/2005/05/almost-darth-vader.shtml __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

May 22nd, 2005, 07:24 PM	#18
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	If it's true, then THANK CHRIST! Imagine him as Darth Vader! ARRRRGHHH! Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

May 23rd, 2005, 06:19 AM	#19
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	James Earl Jones already confirmed he voiced ROTS during several interviews. last few minutes of episode3. __________________ bow wow wow

May 24th, 2005, 10:40 AM	#28
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Or at least euthanized him. But then we wouldn't have Episodes 4, 5 and 6. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 23rd, 2005, 10:36 AM	#20
Joshua Starnes Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 356	Darth didn't quite sound the same, but maybe they did that to still keep some JEJ sound as well as the Anakin sound. Well, he is about 20 years older than the last time he voiced Vader. Harrison Ford doesn't sound exactly like Han Solo any more either. There was nothing new in there, it was a linear progression from the previous movie to Darth Vader. I would have liked to have seen something that made me think. It depends on whose watching it. If you come in as a fan of the OT, no there aren't any major plot twists. How could there be? Why should there be? On the other hand, if you come in watching in numerical order with no knowledge of the next four films, the entire thing is a big plot twist that you won't see coming. It seems to me Lucas has tried to make a film both for the older fans, and for future ones. Lucas' love for slapstick just annoys me. The first 10-15 minutes was like a Charlie Chaplin movie - I hate jokey robots. What's wrong with Charlie Chaplin? He was a genius. Made some of the best films ever made. I agree Padme could have almost been removed and lost nothing. Except of course Anakin would then have no reason to do anything that he does. It feels like Lucas really made something this time. I can't wait to see what he directs next.

May 23rd, 2005, 11:30 AM	#21
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	Jokey robots, I would say, is consistent with the Star Wars world. Heck look at the Return of the Jedi - some pretty goofy robots in there. I find it entertaining personally - gives me a giggle just like it's supposed to. And I agree on the Padme thing - while she wasn't developed further too much, and her death was very uneventful, she still was critical to the development of Darth Vader's character and absolutely couldn't have been just removed from the movie. Seen as a single movie, though, yes, Padme's character was seriously lacking. Overall, if I had to cut one single thing out of the film, or changed it, it would be the Darth Vader "noooooooo" bit at the end. So ridiculous people in my audience giggled, even though the moments leading up to it pretty much had you in the exact right emotional tone.

May 23rd, 2005, 12:53 PM	#22
Matt Stahley Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Waynesboro, PA Posts: 648	Is it me or was Yoda the best "actor" in the film? I

May 23rd, 2005, 12:58 PM	#23
Alfred Okocha Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 427	"Darth didn't quite sound the same, but maybe they did that to still keep some JEJ sound as well as the Anakin sound." "Well, he is about 20 years older than the last time he voiced Vader. Harrison Ford doesn't sound exactly like Han Solo any more either." A reply to a reply.. I think that voices don't change that much with age.. But I thought that in this case the voice was distinctly different. But since Yi Fong Yu already confirmed his presence maybe it's all in my head. I'll see it again just to make sure.. ;-) Since the it was sold out digitally I'll have another excuse to go watch it again.. BTW, How did that marathon you mentioned, Yi, go? Are you sure you weren't all asleep at the end?

May 23rd, 2005, 09:30 PM	#25
Alfred Okocha Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 427	Well, of course there's difference between the voice of a man and a boy, other than that I think we have to agree to disagree.. I also don't doubt that the voice belongs to Mr Jones. If it comes from Lucas.. who am I to say i doesn't..? On another note I think Hayden remains a week actor. I also think that Lucas himself is a much better storyteller than director. He uses technology in a wonderful way of course and has pushed the limits everytime with Star Wars. BUT other than techwise I think he fails to bring out the best of his cast and is not innovating at all with camera movements, angels or cuts.. Of course it's all IMHO and no intent to offend anybody. I do appreciate the whole series though as a great story! Enough ranted..sorry. ;-l

May 24th, 2005, 09:08 AM	#27
Kenn Christenson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Medford Oregon Posts: 152	I suspect that those people in Australia who listed "Jedi" as their religeon on a census will be reconsidering their choice. The Jedi come off as a rather cold-hearted lot. Is it "Jedi-like" to leave Anakin aka Darth Vader to be burned alive, when Obi-wan could clearly have saved him?

May 24th, 2005, 11:06 AM	#29
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Yeah Kenn, I think you're being way too tough on poor ol' Obi-wan! To approximate a quote from the judge in Caddyshack, "I've sent boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to. Felt I (...dramatic pause...) owed it to 'em." Anakin had it comin'! ;-) I'd still rather be a Jedi than a Sith...unless, of course, The Great Truth holds even in the Empire that the bad boys get all the hottest babes! (Clarification for my wife: "Why, yes, I AM a bad boy!" ...whew, that was a close brush with a fate worse than Anakin's!) __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

May 24th, 2005, 11:16 AM	#30
Kenn Christenson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Medford Oregon Posts: 152	"But then we wouldn't have Episodes 4, 5 and 6." I guess that was the primary problem with this film; everything had to line up for IV, V and VI, regardless of how silly (Vader's "Noooo!") or unconvincing; Anakin's all too rapid and barely motivated turn to the "Dark Side." Oft heard line: "What's my motivation?" Reply: "Your motivation is that I can go out that door and find at least a dozen other people to replace you." "Thanks for clarifying that, Mr. Lucas."