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Old April 12th, 2011, 12:39 AM   #16
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See the attached for precise data rates and record times for the various frame rates.

Basically its just under one hour of 10-bit 4:2:2 for 512GB drive. Thus one can understand why the Convergent Gemini went with two hot swap SSD slots.

What there not saying at this point is the required read/write speeds for the SSD. A 512GB SSD that will maintain consistent write speeds over its life span costs between $1100 - $1500 USD.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 01:21 AM   #17
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While the Hyperdeck Shuttle looks interesting and very handy I'm more intrigued by the new mixers.

We're looking at putting in new installations at a couple of places later this year and the ATEM Television Studio ($995) looks like a really good possibility for one, especially if paired with a touch screen laptop instead of a control surface to start with. Most of the alternatives offing this capability (HD, Six inputs 4 of which are HDMI/HDSDI, h264 encoding) are much more expensive and the ability to just run a ethernet cable to control it from anywhere could be a real benefit.

Also looking at the possibility of using ATEM 1 M/E Production Switcher or the ATEM 2 M/E Production Switcher at a couple of places though there, I'm looking forward to what new stuff Panasonic and datavideo are offering this year.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 03:39 AM   #18
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And a free version of DaVinci Resolve is very interesting for people to let them get to know the software (and it's pretty functional too, for being a free version).
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Old April 12th, 2011, 03:48 AM   #19
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Guess BM are trying to corner the market and keep the Ninja from selling take a look at the 2nd section of this page if you want to know why Allens Arthur Robinson: Publication: Intellectual Property Bulletin and when it ships it's may not be $345 for long.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 03:55 AM   #20
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Sooo this ting records uncompressed 4:2:2 10bit files correct? What would be the bit rate of 1080 25p?
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Old April 12th, 2011, 04:05 AM   #21
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looks great. A bit strange that it dosenīt seem to have a lid over the SSD opening. Looks a bit exposed

Edit: Any time frame suggested?
Edit2; found it, May
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Old April 12th, 2011, 04:49 AM   #22
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Heed the warning about crap SSD drives. I've tested quite a bit of them. Very few live up to the wild claims of datarate. I'm glad I have a few drives that are certified for sustained 4:2:2 uncompressed.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 06:08 AM   #23
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Sanjin,

From the Blackmagic Design site.

The storage and data rates for uncompressed video are listed below.

525 NTSC uncompressed;
8 bit @ 720 x 486 @ 29.97fps = 20 MB per/sec, or 70 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 720 x 486 @ 29.97fps = 27 MB per/sec, or 94 GB per/hr.

625 PAL uncompressed;
8 bit @ 720 x 576 @ 25fps = 20 MB per/sec, or 70 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 720 x 576 @ 25fps = 26 MB per/sec, or 93 GB per/hr.

720p HDTV uncompressed;
8 bit @ 1280 x 720 @ 59.94field = 105 MB per/sec, or 370 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1280 x 720 @ 59.94field = 140 MB per/sec, or 494 GB per/hr.



1080i and 1080p HDTV uncompressed;
8 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 95 MB per/sec, or 334 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 127 MB per/sec, or 445 GB per/hr.

8 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 25fps = 99 MB per/sec, or 348 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 25fps = 132 MB per/sec, or 463 GB per/hr.

8 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 29.97fps = 119 MB per/sec, or 417 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 29.97fps = 158 MB per/sec, or 556 GB per/hr.

1080i and 1080p HDTV RGB (4:4:4) uncompressed;
10 bit @ 1280 x 720p @ 60fps = 211 MB per/sec, or 742 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 24PsF = 190 MB per/sec, or 667 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 50i = 198 MB per/sec, or 695 GB per/hr.
10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 60i = 237 MB per/sec, or 834 GB per/hr.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 06:49 AM   #24
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The thing I find interesting(and there may be nothing to it really) is that Blackmagic has a NEX-VG10 displayed a couple of times in the marketing materials for the Shuttle. The VG10's viewfinder and LCD are disabled when HDMI out is engaged and the Shuttle doesn't have a monitor. So why would they push a product that doesnt completely work with what they are selling? Maybe they have insight into a Sony firmware upgrade that will allow for simultaneous hdmi out/lcd viewing? I'm probably reading too much into something that isn't there. Will deff cop a Shuttle when it drops though!

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Old April 12th, 2011, 06:58 AM   #25
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No pricing or capacity on the SSD cards, but with the recorder costing so little, hey!

Mounting options, can't see any, and there is little flexibility in the controls and monitoring unlike the Nanoflash (hands up who likes to see timecode ticking over?) Also it doesn't seem to allow you to change the bit rate. But the projected price is really the knockout punch in my opinion.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 07:20 AM   #26
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It would be nice if it did have an option to record a compressed format as well. Uncompressed still takes up a bit too much space to easily shoot for one day without having to dump the disks you are shooting on. (Depends on you shooting style, but still)
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Old April 12th, 2011, 08:16 AM   #27
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With a 345$ price, i would happily use duct tape .
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Old April 12th, 2011, 09:48 AM   #28
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Pieter, no need to change the bitrate since it only records one rate.
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Right, no good for the 5DII.
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Old April 12th, 2011, 10:34 AM   #30
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How does the Shuttle compare to the Nanoflash.... Also... anyone know the answer to this... looks like the Shuttle only works with Apple... did they say when it would work with PC based systems...
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