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Old November 2nd, 2011, 09:31 PM   #451
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Chris: Mr. Couper and I have a bet going on the announcement and I think your post just made him nervous...
I had a bet going with Vincent Laforet (about something completely unrelated...
but still involving Canon, heh) and last week in New York we figured out that we
both won. So you never know...
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 10:42 PM   #452
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Re: Something new from Canon on Nov. 3rd...

Can we just get an updated anything in a shoulder mount with slo mo ?
How come video never gets slo mo. I had it in super 8 Cameras in the 70's.
Wot's so difficult ?
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 11:09 PM   #453
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Re: Something new from Canon on Nov. 3rd...

Im sure your need for 1080/60p will undoubtedly be solved in the next 24 hours. Or scarlet with 3k/120p...
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 11:54 PM   #454
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My wager

a) 4:4:4 Color Space and
b) live full 1080p uncompressed out.

c) Perhaps 4k
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 02:52 AM   #455
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There will almost certainly be provisions for redundant recording as this is generally required to obtain big-budget insurance. The dual recordings can be achieve in the camera, externally, or with a combination of the two.
On large productions they make back up copies that are checked for errors before the camera media itself is deleted for reuse, it's not usually done on the camera itself but by the data wrangler. Some cameras do allow the recording of a lower quality copy for the editing, this was one of the reasons given by Sony for the F3 having a non broadcast quality on board recorder and the up coming digital Aaton records editing proxies on board, but the master itself is uncompressed RAW.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 03:08 AM   #456
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I have to disagree with this one, Chris. While there are many of us at DVinfo who are not making money with our cameras, and don't consider ourselves in business, most of us don't acquire our gear as a luxury. Rather we are driven an insatiable desire to just make films. To us, gear is something we need to get jollies- to get our fix, so to speak. It becomes a necessity. We love the idea of shooting a prefect scene and hear our audience of one or two, ooh and ahh at a shot. And, I have always maintained that it is the hundreds of thousands of us out here doing this, that manage to keep prices down and develoment going on gear for the professionals who use it for their livelihood. I think nothing has made this clearer than the DSLR revolution.
This is consumerism at it's best! We 'need' to have an expensive
camera even though we aren't making money with it. More power
to all of you guys that can do this, good for you! There is
no way on the earth that I am spending several thousand dollars
on a hobby. I don't 'need' anything other than food and a place
to live.....but I'm the exception. I also refuse to have
credit cards and 'deficit' spend. This is all in the nicest
possible spirit, and I'm glad that you guys can live your
dreams making movies. Just to me, necessity is things like food,
water and shelter. All this other stuff is just marketing and
'convincing' us that we need all kinds of things, when they are
really, as Chris says....more of a luxury/want. But you are
all doing something right if you can afford to buy cameras in this
crappy economy, so good for you!
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 04:04 AM   #457
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Yes I think you are right, since the dslr revolution, I think that non pro people have no excuse to search for more. The culmination of this is the hacked gh2. This camera is so good, If you can't do a good to very good movie, short or just filming your kids or cat with it, you won't be able to do it with any $ 5000 and above camera. It is your skill set the limiting factor and no matter what camera you want to use it won't make your films better. stop surfing gear site and just go on more creative and artistic ones to develop your skill.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 06:18 AM   #458
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Even for professional cameras you need to be aware of the market you're servicing. There's little point in paying a large amount for a higher spec camera if your clients can't or won't pay the difference and are happy to live with the lower quality cameras. Although, there will be people who will provide the cameras at uneconomic rates.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:03 AM   #459
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bah, i got up at 6am snd nothing...

ok, i was up anyway
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 08:09 AM   #460
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Chris: Mr. Couper and I have a bet going on the announcement and I think your post just made him nervous...
Nothing make me nervous except you with a loaded MP5 at a Vegas gun range
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 10:42 AM   #461
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C'mon now... It wasn't loaded when I pointed it at you guys with my finger indexed on the trigger... Although I knew I screwed up when the range officer unclipped his holster...

See you at NAB again next year!
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 11:47 AM   #462
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Speaking of FS100, the true beauty of all this that's about to go down is the ripple effects it'll have on cameras like the FS100 and the 5D Mark II. For those of us, like myself, who likely won't be able to afford the likes of the newly released cams at this time, we can take advantage of the inevitable flooding of used cam sells as people unload to put towards the new stuff. I can only imagine a 5D Mark II selling for as little as $1,500 or an FS100 selling in the $3,500 range. Yes, they'll be dated or inferior in many aspects to the new stuff, but we still know what they can do. They still produce beautiful, comparable imagery...and now at a fraction of the price.

We all win in the end. I'll se ya'll tonight....
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 11:49 AM   #463
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Most of that seems right - I'd be very surprised if it was a 2K or higher cam. Most people will be happy as clams with "true" 1080 resolution, 10 bit 4:2:2 color space, XLRs, a ND wheel, and a clean SDI/HDMI out.

If the price is $15K, I think Canon would be making a mistake - you want to sell glass? Make a cheaper camera then your competition. Either it's going to be priced more along the lines of an AF100, or more expensive then the F3 (a truly "pro" camera).

I suppose it could be both as has been rumored, but the $10-15 K pricing model seems a bit out of wack if true. Of course, that price is a lot more justifiable if the camera's 2K or higher resolution-wise...
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 12:03 PM   #464
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Don't know it it's 10 bit out of HD-SDI or not, but that sounds a lot like th XF305!
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Positively NO camera rumor site links are allowed on DVi, thanks for understanding.

Please be patient and wait for the official (and correct) news to be posted here on DVi in just a few short hours. This thread will then be closed... and a new forum opened. :-)
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