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Old September 20th, 2011, 03:03 PM   #91
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Re: Something new from Canon on Nov. 3rd...

I would like Canon to deliver a Sony F3 'kissing couzin' with these additions.

1080P (and 2K) 4:4:4 @ 1-120fps OUTPUT
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Price point $14K with ZOOM.
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Old September 20th, 2011, 03:23 PM   #92
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Thus, the "hair dryer" concept as a cloaking device for whatever design they're really working on.
Cloaking device? Hair dryer?

Headline on rumor site: Canon to Introduce Handheld Cloaking Device that Dries Hair.

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Old September 20th, 2011, 03:28 PM   #93
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Shortly after that, Canon will issue a press release like Nikon's (http://www.nikon.com/news/2011/0909_01.htm)

"Canon understands that some article appeared in the media regarding Canon's cloaking hair product. Please note that Canon has made no announcement in this regards."

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Old September 20th, 2011, 04:26 PM   #94
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Sony didn't believe you, Chris, and produced their own hair dryer....
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Old September 20th, 2011, 06:54 PM   #95
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Folks, I hate to burst some bubbles, but Canon has never competed in the super high-end video/cinema market. Ever. I see no signs that they are changing anything.

Honestly, 4K downstream from the sensor is completely unrealistic. Canon lives and breathes in the "prosumer" market. That's 1080p and will continue to be 1080p for a good long time. Sure, Canon might use marketing mumbo jumbo and say "we've developed a brand new 4K sensor specifically designed for video applications", but they will definitely go the ARRI route and offer a 1080p file-based format.

On to something else (rhetorical, emotional and flamey)...

I don't know who said that Canon came inappropriately dressed to the party with the XLH1, but I find that somewhat offensive... I know it was difficult for the HVX fanboys to see anything beyond their own adulation for their 1/2 res sensor, but the XLH1 was a bad-ass little camera in all categories (yes, even including it's HDV implementation) and I don't think Canon conceded anything to Panasonic. Also it probably stung the JVC guys pretty badly after they dropped a load of cash on a 720p camera with interchangeable lenses only to have the XLH1 hand them their lunch.... all accomplished with a sensor that was superior in overall resolution, suffered from zero rolling shutter artifacts and did all of this with... a CCD! Doh! [/flamey emotional rant]
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I wish you wouldn't sugar coat everything........

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Old September 20th, 2011, 07:17 PM   #97
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Robert,

isn't it a bit unusual for Canon to make this much noise and go to paramount for an exisitng system with a few new twist ?? Yes I am hopeful and yes we have had our hopes up for over a year waiting on new cameras like it was Christmas, but, the release says;

The story begins ??

Historic Global announcement ??

Please save this date ??

We are all respectfully having fun and speculating, you say it is 1080p ?
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Old September 20th, 2011, 07:38 PM   #98
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Canon and Hollywood are producing a joint venture Reality TV Show about film makers and cinematographers lusting after a replacement camera for the XLH1, which will never come.

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Old September 20th, 2011, 08:26 PM   #99
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Folks, I hate to burst some bubbles, but Canon has never competed in the super high-end video/cinema market. Ever. I see no signs that they are changing anything.

Honestly, 4K downstream from the sensor is completely unrealistic. Canon lives and breathes in the "prosumer" market.
You may be right, but remember, JVC's 4K2K (QuadHD) camera is prosumer, too. It's fairly obvious that it's only a matter of time -- and very little time -- until 4K will be practical at the prosumer level, with APS-C-size sensors. The CMOSIS/TowerJazz CMV12000 is a global-shutter, 4K sensor capable of 180 fps in 12-bit mode (300 fps in 10-bit mode). It's a year old already. It's intended applications include surveillance cameras, it's not all that expensive (I think in 2010 it was less than $500 in large quantities). Obviously, the price will only drop as CMOSIS improves the technology.
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Honestly, 4K downstream from the sensor is completely unrealistic.
And yet, that is exactly what they were showing last year at Canon Expo in New York... live 4K straight from the sensor (and displayed on Canon 2K and 4K monitors).
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Old September 20th, 2011, 08:52 PM   #101
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It will be interesting but I can not understand the whole 4k thing. Sure, bigger numbers are easy to market around but there just are not many uses for 4k footage outside of major theatrical release. Just seems like a huge waste of pixels and bandwidth now and for a while in the future.
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Old September 20th, 2011, 09:11 PM   #102
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Tim -- both England (BBC) and Japan (NHK) are testing 4K and 8K for broadcast.

They were doing this *last year* even. Over IP. The future is now, folks. See this link:

Super Hi-Vision advances over IP - main-content | TVBEurope Magazine Online & In Print

Also, just recently at IBC2011: 8K live over IP from London to Amsterdam.

http://www.3dfocus.co.uk/3d-news-2/s...-ibc-2011/5433

Think 2012 Olympics...
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Old September 21st, 2011, 01:02 AM   #103
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Re: Something new from Canon on Nov. 3rd...

Just came across this article titled "Possible Specs For New Canon Video Camera?" in which someone claims to have seen the specs of this new camera(s).

HD Magazine - HD Mag - Possible Specs For New Canon VideoCamera?

Jim Jannard and Co. over at Red have also just announced a major Nov. 3rd announcement regarding a "shipping Scarlet," which they've stated will go "head to head" with the new Canon.

Didn't know if any of this had already been mentioned.

Fun times ahead for all.
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Old September 21st, 2011, 01:53 AM   #104
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Tim -- both England (BBC) and Japan (NHK) are testing 4K and 8K for broadcast.
The BBC R & D department are often well ahead in these things, but I wouldn't expect the BBC itself to be rushing into 4K or 8K any time soon. They're still in the middle of a switch over to HD and the BBC Licence fee has been frozen until 2016.
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Old September 21st, 2011, 01:59 AM   #105
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November 3rd...

Surely is going to be an exiting day.
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