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Old November 21st, 2009, 09:11 PM   #1
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I tried today the Marvels picture profile and for the most part I liked it.
The only problem I had was the skin tone.
It was ether too washed and what ever i did in post was not that good or i got yellowish stains.
white balance was auto.
does anyone experiment something like it?
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 11:37 AM   #2
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I used it a few weeks ago and got the same results. Very yellow, almost clay like skin tones. I liked the flatness for grading, but I can't really work with those skin tones. I emailed some stills to Martin cause he was curious about my findings.
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 11:46 AM   #3
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He flattened it so that you have more room to grade in post so it was meant for you to do some grading not using it as is, you need to manual white balance, can't rely on auto white balance, if after manual white balance and you still have that yellow cast, go into white balance shift and shift it 2 click toward blue and magenta.
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 05:13 PM   #4
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Good tip Khoi.
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 05:57 PM   #5
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I tried it out, and I can see a use for it under certain special circumstances. I'm glad I have it loaded. However, I've been sticking to more standard settings because I hate having to struggle that hard to get back to normal, especially with skin tones with the Marvel setting. It is disturbingly flat. So you have to really know what you're after and have experimented with the post workflow, or you could get yourself in a heap of trouble, in my opinion.

It can be challenging to correct. I have to go into Color and get very curvy.
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 02:14 PM   #6
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Sunday I had a wedding to shoot and I used the 7d on a wedding for the first time.
I did not relay on the 7d footage only and back it up with my fx1000.
So I get all my images to look like the pic I originally posted.( I saw the replys of you when I came back from the wedding)
Any work flow suggestion fixing it with Sony Vegas?
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 09:22 PM   #7
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The thing about Marvel's Cine is that it's NOT a cinelook preset. It's a "Low Contrast" preset. IMHO it should be thought of as such and NOT a cinema look.
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 10:18 PM   #8
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robert,
Do you have any linkd to 'cinema" looks?
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Old November 24th, 2009, 03:59 PM   #9
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I do not. I've only just started experimenting with this camera. I've been using Marvel's preset and dialing in the look in post (using Apple's Color).
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 05:38 PM   #10
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I've found that I like everything about Marvel's gamma curve except the pasty/chalky skin tones I get. Even with exact exposure, faces look like 2 pounds of makeup have been applied. I can minimize the look with CC in FCP7 by de-saturating and some other tweaks, but I'm really looking for a picture style curve that maintains the same gamma curve effect overall but treats skin tones more normally.

I've tried the Genesis Panavision and SuperFlat curves but they are too flattening. The Standard and Neutral OEM picture styles are way too punchy and high contrast - like interlaced video looks. Normally I use gamma highlight suppression curves on my Sony F900R and EX1 to mitigate high exposure areas of a frame and they don't affect skin tones at all, so I'm a bit stumped as to why this is happening. The 7D really needs a gamma curve employed for highlights, so it is a bit of a conundrum.

If anyone has developed a perfect Picture Style curve, please post it or a link to it.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 07:06 PM   #11
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Yeah, I'm waiting for a EX1/EX3 to 7D mapping for Cinegamma 1 and Cinegamma 4. I tried Marvel's, it's nothing like the the EX1 cine and I can't use it for people cause I'd need to color correct too much and it's not natural. So then it's limited, so I stopped using it. Anybody got good EX-D7 Mappings? Thanks!
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