what am i doing wrong??

Michael Herrick · November 11th, 2010, 10:03 AM

so you go higher shutter speed the 180 degree shutter rule of thumb?

Burk Webb · November 11th, 2010, 09:09 PM

For some of this bike stuff I was going a lot higher, I think I was hitting 1000 for some shots (in a different video). It doesn't work for everything and the 180 degree 50/60 shutter rule is pretty good if you want stuff to look more "normal". I'm just kind of experimenting with different looks. Never hurts to try new things :)

Michael Herrick · November 12th, 2010, 01:31 AM

/what lenses do you use burk?

John Cash · November 12th, 2010, 10:28 AM

Burk

thats some of the best footage I have seen on the web. Your level of professionalism shines through on that. I see footage like that and wish I could watch the whole process from start to finish. i would like to watch to see how you maintain such clarity and color depth through the camera, then the NLE steps and final render settings. Beautiful work

. I never can shoot 24 and make it look that smooth. WoW

Burk Webb · November 12th, 2010, 11:34 PM

Sorry for the mini hi-jack.

Thanks for the nice comments folks.

Lenses used for this video where the Tokina 11-16 2.8 & the Canon 70-200 2.8 L. I'm not doing anything special to get the look, there is no color grading on any of the footage (I did tweak the exposure on a couple shots). It's just whats coming out of the camera.

I've got nothing against color grading but I've been on this "try to get the look in camera" kick for a little bit. With nice lenses and trying to pick your shots & exposure carefully you can really nail some nice looks. A nice polarizer can help a bit as well.

Just FYI - 7D settings where:

Neutral
sharpness +1
contrast -3
Saturation -1
Color tone 0

White Balance was cloudy preset.

Hope that helps.

Don Rumsey · November 14th, 2010, 10:48 PM

I'm kind of agreeing here with Burk. In just the short amount of time I've spent with my T2i and the films I've made.... I was shooting with the supposed "Phillip Bloom" settings. which are pretty flat, toned down. However, I find my self boosting the saturation, contrast, etc. Why not just get it "in camera" right off the bat. With the demand for my business going up and up lately, I don't really have the time to go back and color grade "everything". As Burk said, with the right lenses, and practice... just gotta get the right lenses now!

Chris Barcellos · November 14th, 2010, 11:09 PM

Why shoot flat? Idea is to get maximum exposure latitude, and avoid clipping of highlights and loss of detail in shadows. Detail will be gone forever from those shots. You will have more control in post as to what you are willing to keep in and let go.

Edward Mendoza · December 3rd, 2010, 12:12 AM

Sorry Burk, I'm gonna make you hi-jack the thread one more time. Is your 70-200mm the IS version or are you using a monopod or tripod? Once again, fantastic footage...

Burk Webb · December 21st, 2010, 04:02 AM

This 70-200 was the new L2.8 IS lens, it was a rental. I think all of the 70-200 stuff was shot from a tripod but I turn the IS off. It can make the shot "drift" a bit if you leave it on while using a tripod.

I completely agree with Chris on shooting flat. If you want to protect the highlights and shadow detail shooting flat is the best practice. That being said...

I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but the idea of shooting everything knowing I was going to have to go back and color grade every shot was just mentally exhausting. I love color grading but it's hugely time consuming and was getting in the way of just having fun shooting and editing. Knowing I was going to have pretty limited time to do these cross videos, and I'm just goofing around anyway, I figure why not try and nail the look as best I can in the camera.

I blew it sometimes but did pretty well for the bulk of it and learned a bunch. It also made it possible to actually bang these out each week.

Joel Peregrine · December 21st, 2010, 08:38 PM

Hi Burk,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burk Webb

I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but the idea of shooting everything knowing I was going to have to go back and color grade every shot was just mentally exhausting...

Amen. I started out with the 'shoot flat' mindset but my goal now is to get the look right in the camera and have been using a high contrast/low sharpness setting. The less filters I have to apply in post means less time in the edit cave, a faster turnaround and more consistency. (It helps that I'm after a very life-like feel rather than a stylized look.)

November 14th, 2010, 11:09 PM	#22
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Why shoot flat? Idea is to get maximum exposure latitude, and avoid clipping of highlights and loss of detail in shadows. Detail will be gone forever from those shots. You will have more control in post as to what you are willing to keep in and let go. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

November 11th, 2010, 10:03 AM	#16
Michael Herrick Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Temecula, California Posts: 108	so you go higher shutter speed the 180 degree shutter rule of thumb?

November 11th, 2010, 09:09 PM	#17
Burk Webb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 249	For some of this bike stuff I was going a lot higher, I think I was hitting 1000 for some shots (in a different video). It doesn't work for everything and the 180 degree 50/60 shutter rule is pretty good if you want stuff to look more "normal". I'm just kind of experimenting with different looks. Never hurts to try new things :)

November 12th, 2010, 01:31 AM	#18
Michael Herrick Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Temecula, California Posts: 108	/what lenses do you use burk?

November 12th, 2010, 10:28 AM	#19
John Cash Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 253	Burk thats some of the best footage I have seen on the web. Your level of professionalism shines through on that. I see footage like that and wish I could watch the whole process from start to finish. i would like to watch to see how you maintain such clarity and color depth through the camera, then the NLE steps and final render settings. Beautiful work . I never can shoot 24 and make it look that smooth. WoW

November 12th, 2010, 11:34 PM	#20
Burk Webb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 249	Sorry for the mini hi-jack. Thanks for the nice comments folks. Lenses used for this video where the Tokina 11-16 2.8 & the Canon 70-200 2.8 L. I'm not doing anything special to get the look, there is no color grading on any of the footage (I did tweak the exposure on a couple shots). It's just whats coming out of the camera. I've got nothing against color grading but I've been on this "try to get the look in camera" kick for a little bit. With nice lenses and trying to pick your shots & exposure carefully you can really nail some nice looks. A nice polarizer can help a bit as well. Just FYI - 7D settings where: Neutral sharpness +1 contrast -3 Saturation -1 Color tone 0 White Balance was cloudy preset. Hope that helps.

November 14th, 2010, 10:48 PM	#21
Don Rumsey Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Jackson, MI Posts: 40	I'm kind of agreeing here with Burk. In just the short amount of time I've spent with my T2i and the films I've made.... I was shooting with the supposed "Phillip Bloom" settings. which are pretty flat, toned down. However, I find my self boosting the saturation, contrast, etc. Why not just get it "in camera" right off the bat. With the demand for my business going up and up lately, I don't really have the time to go back and color grade "everything". As Burk said, with the right lenses, and practice... just gotta get the right lenses now!

December 3rd, 2010, 12:12 AM	#23
Edward Mendoza Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 157	Sorry Burk, I'm gonna make you hi-jack the thread one more time. Is your 70-200mm the IS version or are you using a monopod or tripod? Once again, fantastic footage...

December 21st, 2010, 04:02 AM	#24
Burk Webb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 249	This 70-200 was the new L2.8 IS lens, it was a rental. I think all of the 70-200 stuff was shot from a tripod but I turn the IS off. It can make the shot "drift" a bit if you leave it on while using a tripod. I completely agree with Chris on shooting flat. If you want to protect the highlights and shadow detail shooting flat is the best practice. That being said... I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but the idea of shooting everything knowing I was going to have to go back and color grade every shot was just mentally exhausting. I love color grading but it's hugely time consuming and was getting in the way of just having fun shooting and editing. Knowing I was going to have pretty limited time to do these cross videos, and I'm just goofing around anyway, I figure why not try and nail the look as best I can in the camera. I blew it sometimes but did pretty well for the bulk of it and learned a bunch. It also made it possible to actually bang these out each week.