Frame "Shifting" or "Stutter" at DVinfo.net

Tony Wu · February 2nd, 2009, 08:52 PM

5D image shifting on Vimeo

Here's the vimeo link. I don't think it's too useful because the internet is giving an inherent stutter.

I've done some other tests and I get the frame shifting, skipping, stutter when the lens is hooked or unhooked. It's shifting just with image lock-on, tripod or handheld. Tried Nikon lenses and it's happening there too. I thought it might be the CF write speed but I'm using quality Lexar 300x 16gig UDMA.

Taking it to Canon Canada tomorrow. If I can't get it fixed, I'm going back to the HVX200/35 mm adaptor. Damn, I was really enjoying the size and low-light capabilities of the 5D. All the work-arounds were becoming bearable too.

t

Mark Hahn · February 2nd, 2009, 09:13 PM

I would have to see the original file to make anything of this. Vimeo (and the other video services) do a crappy job of displaying video.

I don't see stuttering natively in my 5D2 and I don't see many reports that aren't just playback problems. If you see this when playing back on the camera itself then you definitely have an unusual problem.

Jon Fairhurst · February 2nd, 2009, 09:37 PM

Mark is right. The 5D MkII doesn't seem to have any general stutter problem. Of course, a random defect could cause most any one-off problem.

The best way to check the results is to look at motion frame by frame on an original video. Once something has been re-encoded by the editor and/or the host site, all bets are off.

The 5D MkII shoots at 30p. Vimeo plays back at 24p. They do this by dropping every fifth frame. That certainly causes stuttering, as does a slow or overloaded computer.

Tony Wu · February 3rd, 2009, 08:09 AM

The stutter is occurring during live recording through the camera's viewfinder and it's going to the card. QT 7.6 playback is replicating the same stutter/skip as seen on the viewfinder.

Is there a way that I can show you the original footage? The smallest clip I have is 180megs.

I'm going to Canon Canada HQ today to hopefully get some answers or a fix. I'm shooting a short film this weekend so I'll have make a decision quick if I need to go back to my HVX200/35mm set-up.

t

Christopher Witz · February 3rd, 2009, 09:27 AM

is your CF card fast enough?

Bill Binder · February 3rd, 2009, 11:24 AM

Make sure you're shooting on a newly formatted (in camera) CF card too.

James Miller · February 3rd, 2009, 12:08 PM

Hi I have noticed this myself when I disconnect the lens. But I found it to be the fact that the lens is not disconnected enough. By turning a few more mm the stuttering goes but sometimes I have to power off the camera to get it running correctly.

Its as if the pins of the body are connecting to the wrong points on the lens and it throws some internal error in the picture.

You will also see the display stutters not just the recording.

Just goes to show why its not a great idea to disconnect the lens like this. But we have no choice with canon lens.

Tony Wu · February 3rd, 2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher Witz

is your CF card fast enough?

I'm using a Lexar 300x 16 gig UDMA. I've formatted in the camera.

I tested to see if this stutter only happens when the card is near full (less buffer capacity?) but it also happens when the card is freshly formatted.

Tony Wu · February 3rd, 2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Miller

Hi I have noticed this myself when I disconnect the lens. But I found it to be the fact that the lens is not disconnected enough. By turning a few more mm the stuttering goes but sometimes I have to power off the camera to get it running correctly.

Its as if the pins of the body are connecting to the wrong points on the lens and it throws some internal error in the picture.

You will also see the display stutters not just the recording.

Just goes to show why its not a great idea to disconnect the lens like this. But we have no choice with canon lens.

On my camera, which may be defective:

There is a very dramatic stutter if the lens is only partially disconnected when I'm at 500 ISO or below. A partial disconnection above 500 ISO, the dramatic stutter disappears but you get the original subtle stutter. Disconnecting the lens another turn, maybe 30% before it falls out, eliminates the dramatic stutter below 500 ISO but the original subtle stutter remains on all ISOs.

Taped contacts on a Canon lens and Nikon lens produce the stutter. Shooting on an locked Canon lens with just the Exposure Lock on produces the stutter.

This stutter/skip is obvious at times, usually with a pan or tilt and sometimes very subtle when filming an object moving (slow or fast) in frame. Subtle but enough to make the shot unusable.

t

Jon Fairhurst · February 3rd, 2009, 02:02 PM

I wonder if your memory card might be defective. For instance, if one of the address lines were stuck.

I'm not saying it is. It's just another possibility.

Tony Wu · February 6th, 2009, 03:03 PM

Tried using SanDisk Extreme 3 cards and still getting the same stutter.
t

Jon Fairhurst · February 6th, 2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Wu

Tried using SanDisk Extreme 3 cards and still getting the same stutter.
t

Sorry to hear that it's not just a bad card. It's good to eliminate that variable though...

Mark Hahn · February 6th, 2009, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Wu

Tried using SanDisk Extreme 3 cards and still getting the same stutter.
t

All reports are that slow cards cause the buffer indicator to show and warn of impending fullness. Then when it does fill up it stops recording totally. CF card performance should never cause the stuttering discussed here.

Minh Khang · February 6th, 2009, 11:02 PM

my 5D got the same stuttering problems too . seem like it maybe the firmware problem .

Ryan Morey · February 12th, 2009, 08:46 PM

Hi,

Mine started the stutter after i updated the firmware....go figure.I guess I'll just need to make a few takes just in case.Hopefully it's fixed with the next firmware update.

Ryan

February 2nd, 2009, 08:52 PM	#1
Tony Wu New Boot Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Burlington, Canada Posts: 19	Frame "Shifting" or "Stutter" 5D image shifting on Vimeo Here's the vimeo link. I don't think it's too useful because the internet is giving an inherent stutter. I've done some other tests and I get the frame shifting, skipping, stutter when the lens is hooked or unhooked. It's shifting just with image lock-on, tripod or handheld. Tried Nikon lenses and it's happening there too. I thought it might be the CF write speed but I'm using quality Lexar 300x 16gig UDMA. Taking it to Canon Canada tomorrow. If I can't get it fixed, I'm going back to the HVX200/35 mm adaptor. Damn, I was really enjoying the size and low-light capabilities of the 5D. All the work-arounds were becoming bearable too. t

February 2nd, 2009, 09:37 PM	#3
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Mark is right. The 5D MkII doesn't seem to have any general stutter problem. Of course, a random defect could cause most any one-off problem. The best way to check the results is to look at motion frame by frame on an original video. Once something has been re-encoded by the editor and/or the host site, all bets are off. The 5D MkII shoots at 30p. Vimeo plays back at 24p. They do this by dropping every fifth frame. That certainly causes stuttering, as does a slow or overloaded computer. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

February 3rd, 2009, 02:02 PM	#10
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	I wonder if your memory card might be defective. For instance, if one of the address lines were stuck. I'm not saying it is. It's just another possibility. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

February 12th, 2009, 08:46 PM	#15
Ryan Morey Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wildwood Crest, NJ Posts: 140	Hi, Mine started the stutter after i updated the firmware....go figure.I guess I'll just need to make a few takes just in case.Hopefully it's fixed with the next firmware update. Ryan __________________ www.rhmphotography.com What you talkin bout Willis?

February 2nd, 2009, 09:13 PM	#2
Mark Hahn Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 277	I would have to see the original file to make anything of this. Vimeo (and the other video services) do a crappy job of displaying video. I don't see stuttering natively in my 5D2 and I don't see many reports that aren't just playback problems. If you see this when playing back on the camera itself then you definitely have an unusual problem.

February 3rd, 2009, 08:09 AM	#4
Tony Wu New Boot Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Burlington, Canada Posts: 19	The stutter is occurring during live recording through the camera's viewfinder and it's going to the card. QT 7.6 playback is replicating the same stutter/skip as seen on the viewfinder. Is there a way that I can show you the original footage? The smallest clip I have is 180megs. I'm going to Canon Canada HQ today to hopefully get some answers or a fix. I'm shooting a short film this weekend so I'll have make a decision quick if I need to go back to my HVX200/35mm set-up. t

February 3rd, 2009, 09:27 AM	#5
Christopher Witz Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 591	is your CF card fast enough?

February 3rd, 2009, 11:24 AM	#6
Bill Binder Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 542	Make sure you're shooting on a newly formatted (in camera) CF card too.

February 3rd, 2009, 12:08 PM	#7
James Miller Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sussex, UK Posts: 317	Hi I have noticed this myself when I disconnect the lens. But I found it to be the fact that the lens is not disconnected enough. By turning a few more mm the stuttering goes but sometimes I have to power off the camera to get it running correctly. Its as if the pins of the body are connecting to the wrong points on the lens and it throws some internal error in the picture. You will also see the display stutters not just the recording. Just goes to show why its not a great idea to disconnect the lens like this. But we have no choice with canon lens.

February 6th, 2009, 03:03 PM	#11
Tony Wu New Boot Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Burlington, Canada Posts: 19	Tried using SanDisk Extreme 3 cards and still getting the same stutter. t

February 6th, 2009, 11:02 PM	#14
Minh Khang New Boot Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: california Posts: 19	my 5D got the same stuttering problems too . seem like it maybe the firmware problem .