jerky video at the highest res

Julian Frost · May 10th, 2009, 11:03 PM

NLE - Non-Linear Editor. Examples are Adobe Premier Pro, Sony Vegas, Avid, etc.

When it comes to purchasing an NLE, it depends a lot on your budget, your computer specs, and your preferences. I use Premier Pro CS3. I actually bought CS3 Production Premium, so I got Adobe Encore (for authoring DVDs), AfterEffects, Photoshop, and several other apps with it. CS3 is out of production, having been superseded by CS4. Premier pro, like all NLEs, is pretty expensive (go to the Adobe web site for prices).

Without investing in an NLE, I don't know how you'd edit your footage. I don't know what you're using now for your XL1S footage, but if you were able to edit the 1440x1080 footage with that, you'll most likely be able to edit the CFHD 1920x1080 footage too.

I use Adobe Encore to author DVDs. Again, I don't know anything about using Nero to do it. I'd imagine Nero is pretty limited and all you can do with it is feed it a movie file and say "make me a DVD." That's far different from using DVD authoring software.

Again, remember that the CFHD AVI files and your final edited movie are indeed huge, but they will be down-rezzed to 720x480 by the DVD authoring program so that they are within the DVD specifications. This will result in the files being substantially smaller.

Julian

Gary Szunyogh · May 11th, 2009, 08:07 AM

I never would have considered any camera that does not put out a quicktime file format.

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Originally Posted by Stan Kern

I'm really surprised at canon for creating an *.mov file which is not friendly with xp or visa
I did convert the video file to an *.avi and that was not too bad but i guess the proper term is stutter,i have a canon S80 that takes videos at 1024x768 and they are flawless,i have not found neo scene yet for playback,i don't like quicktime becasue it takes over all video files
Also does the auto focus work in the movie mode?

Also its not the systems as i have fast hot systems powerful video and my results are such that i started this thread asking about it

Dylan Couper · May 11th, 2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan Kern

The video mode in the Canon 5D MKII is basically useless for the average consumer/ prosumer. I can think of only one or two instances where this video mode would shine for a prosumer. Both require a fixed focus situation. At a school play, or a concert you will be able to get unbelievable natural light footage, provided you stabilize the camera with a tripod.

Do you mean useless for the average consumer in the was that penicilin is useless to the average consumer, or a Boieng 747 is useless to the average consumer? Because, both of these tools are useless at first, but if you take the 15 minutes to LEARN HOW TO USE THEM, they really become surprisingly useful.

Dylan Couper · May 11th, 2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Szunyogh

I never would have considered any camera that does not put out a quicktime file format.

You mean as opposed to: XDCAM, DVCPRO HD, Red RAW, etc?

Nigel Barker · May 11th, 2009, 11:38 AM

Stan, if all you want to do is take the video & burn it to DVD why are you recording in 1920x1080p HD? You can record in 640x480 SD & those files will surely play easily on any PC.

Stan Kern · May 11th, 2009, 03:15 PM

thanks ,i'm going to keep trying using the neo scene to convert then i'm going to try vegas ,i'll get there ...it will take some experimenting
Mind today i looked at an apple computer with final cut but it can be costly too

Stan Kern · May 11th, 2009, 05:58 PM

Besides looking at the results of a converted *.mov canon 5D file then running the file are there specs that depict the quality ie if the result of the conversion of the *.mov file is avi H264 (avc) 1400kpbs and audio 192kbps mp3 are we talking this is a good file to output(it looked good)
In fact the best i have seen so far

Nigel Barker · May 11th, 2009, 07:14 PM

On a Mac you don't need Final Cut to edit this footage. iMovie which ships with every Mac handles Canon 5D Mk II .MOVs just fine. It's far less sophisticated than Final Cut Pro or even Final Cut Express but is far more functional than e.g. Windows Movie Maker. For quick & simple editing it's a neat program.

Julian Frost · May 11th, 2009, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan Kern

Besides looking at the results of a converted *.mov canon 5D file then running the file are there specs that depict the quality ie if the result of the conversion of the *.mov file is avi H264 (avc) 1400kpbs and audio 192kbps mp3 are we talking this is a good file to output(it looked good)
In fact the best i have seen so far

Stan,

I'm sorry, I don't really understand the question. Is the CFHD AVI file good enough to output? Output to what? It's a 1920x1080 square pixels, 29.97 fps AVI file. It's good enough to output to HD BlueRay (1920x1080), SD DVD (720x480), MPEG-2 (your choice of resolution), and pretty much any other format. Cineform HD files are used in the film industry to create the final prints for motion picture films, so yes, I'd say they're good enough for output! :-)

Julian

Stan Kern · May 11th, 2009, 10:07 PM

After converting the *.mov file the file playback was good ,picture and audio were good but i was wondering what the file specs are ,were there losses .When you play back a video you have no idea how good it is because the player does not show the file contents ie1920x1080
During conversion the program indicated it was H264(avc) 1000 kbps and audio mp3 192 kbps,i'm asking if these specs are an indication of a good quality video file.

stan
By reading your thread above i'd say my file is good ,i'm happy with the results
i won't be needing a mac

Julian Frost · May 11th, 2009, 10:19 PM

The audio is not MP3, it's 16-bit PCM. And it depends on your player and your screen, as to whether it shows the full 1920x1080 display.

Julian

Nigel Barker · May 11th, 2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Kern

During conversion the program indicated it was H264(avc) 1000 kbps and audio mp3 192 kbps,i'm asking if these specs are an indication of a good quality video file.

1000Kps (1Mbps) is a rather low bit rate for a Full HD video. 1280x720 HD video uploaded to Vimeo gets converted to about 5Mbps while for video uploaded to SmugMug 1280x720 HD is 3.2Mbps with 1920x1080 is about 7Mbps. Here is an example of a short clip converted to 10Mbps using MPEG Streamclip uploaded to SmugMug in various sizes & bit rates Barkers Videos I normally set audio to 128Kbps AAC

At the end of the day if you are happy with the quality of the video then that is all that matters.

Jon Fairhurst · May 12th, 2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nigel Barker

At the end of the day if you are happy with the quality of the video then that is all that matters.

Even more important - if the audience is happy with the quality, then it's all good. :)

Stan Kern · May 12th, 2009, 07:38 AM

the video is very good ,i'm not there yet but getting close ---what size was that file (audio video is perfect)

Nigel Barker · May 12th, 2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan Kern

the video is very good ,i'm not there yet but getting close ---what size was that file (audio video is perfect)

The original file from the camera was about 250MB. The sizes of the different versions at that link are roughly:-

1920x1080 146MB
1280x720 66MB
960x540 38MB
640x360 27MB
320x180 13MB

Barkers Videos

May 11th, 2009, 03:15 PM	#36
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	thanks thanks ,i'm going to keep trying using the neo scene to convert then i'm going to try vegas ,i'll get there ...it will take some experimenting Mind today i looked at an apple computer with final cut but it can be costly too

May 11th, 2009, 05:58 PM	#37
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	more Besides looking at the results of a converted .mov canon 5D file then running the file are there specs that depict the quality ie if the result of the conversion of the .mov file is avi H264 (avc) 1400kpbs and audio 192kbps mp3 are we talking this is a good file to output(it looked good) In fact the best i have seen so far

May 11th, 2009, 10:07 PM	#40
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	what i meant After converting the *.mov file the file playback was good ,picture and audio were good but i was wondering what the file specs are ,were there losses .When you play back a video you have no idea how good it is because the player does not show the file contents ie1920x1080 During conversion the program indicated it was H264(avc) 1000 kbps and audio mp3 192 kbps,i'm asking if these specs are an indication of a good quality video file. stan By reading your thread above i'd say my file is good ,i'm happy with the results i won't be needing a mac

May 12th, 2009, 07:38 AM	#44
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	again the video is very good ,i'm not there yet but getting close ---what size was that file (audio video is perfect)

May 10th, 2009, 11:03 PM	#31
Julian Frost Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California USA Posts: 576	NLE - Non-Linear Editor. Examples are Adobe Premier Pro, Sony Vegas, Avid, etc. When it comes to purchasing an NLE, it depends a lot on your budget, your computer specs, and your preferences. I use Premier Pro CS3. I actually bought CS3 Production Premium, so I got Adobe Encore (for authoring DVDs), AfterEffects, Photoshop, and several other apps with it. CS3 is out of production, having been superseded by CS4. Premier pro, like all NLEs, is pretty expensive (go to the Adobe web site for prices). Without investing in an NLE, I don't know how you'd edit your footage. I don't know what you're using now for your XL1S footage, but if you were able to edit the 1440x1080 footage with that, you'll most likely be able to edit the CFHD 1920x1080 footage too. I use Adobe Encore to author DVDs. Again, I don't know anything about using Nero to do it. I'd imagine Nero is pretty limited and all you can do with it is feed it a movie file and say "make me a DVD." That's far different from using DVD authoring software. Again, remember that the CFHD AVI files and your final edited movie are indeed huge, but they will be down-rezzed to 720x480 by the DVD authoring program so that they are within the DVD specifications. This will result in the files being substantially smaller. Julian

May 11th, 2009, 11:38 AM	#35
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	Stan, if all you want to do is take the video & burn it to DVD why are you recording in 1920x1080p HD? You can record in 640x480 SD & those files will surely play easily on any PC.

May 11th, 2009, 07:14 PM	#38
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	On a Mac you don't need Final Cut to edit this footage. iMovie which ships with every Mac handles Canon 5D Mk II .MOVs just fine. It's far less sophisticated than Final Cut Pro or even Final Cut Express but is far more functional than e.g. Windows Movie Maker. For quick & simple editing it's a neat program.

May 11th, 2009, 10:19 PM	#41
Julian Frost Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California USA Posts: 576	The audio is not MP3, it's 16-bit PCM. And it depends on your player and your screen, as to whether it shows the full 1920x1080 display. Julian