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Stan Kern · May 6th, 2009, 08:13 PM

I am using 8 gig cards rated at 133x kingston and the specs were well above what canon suggested but i am finding my videos jerky(highest res setting) on playback through say elements 7.0,through the camera they are fine .
Should i be converting the *.mov file to something else ,can anone suggest why i have this

Julian Frost · May 7th, 2009, 01:01 AM

It probably not the card, but the computer. The 5D mk II's MOV files are recorded at a very high bandwidth which most PCs cannot handle well. Take a look at the Cineform Showcase forum for "Neo Scene". It converts the MOV files to Cineform HD intermediate files (which give you many benefits!). You can play and edit those CFHD files in real time. It's costs $99 from videoguys.com.

Julian

John Harvey · May 7th, 2009, 01:05 AM

try using powerdvd 9

Nigel Barker · May 7th, 2009, 04:42 AM

Any modern computer should be able to play these files as long as it is capable of 1080p playback of any form e.g. BluRay. This rules out the little netbooks like the MSI Wind as their Intel Atom processor & modest graphics cards struggle with any HD video but. I can confirm that a new model Mac Mini is perfectly capable of playing these files out of the box.

NeoScene may be useful on Windows as an Intermediate CODEC when editing but if you just want to play the videos then you can convert to a lower bit rate or resolution using the excellent & free MPEG Streamclip Squared 5 - MPEG Streamclip video converter for Mac and Windows

Julian Frost · May 7th, 2009, 11:41 AM

Stan said he was playing them back through an NLE (Premier Elements) and the MOV files were stuttering. Having just re-read his post, it also sounds as though he is maybe trying to play the video clips back directly from the card, rather than by downloading them to the computer first.

John, you recommended Power DVD in another thread. Did you resolve the audio issue with Power DVD?

Julian

Dylan Couper · May 7th, 2009, 11:57 AM

Stan, it isn't the cards. I use nearly the same ones. If the in camera playback doesnt stutter, it isn't the card.

My nearly brand new editing PC stutters while playing these .movs. I convert all mine to Cineform and they play flawlessly at full frame, even in an NLE with multiple layers. Cineform Neo Scene is a must have if you are on a PC.

John Harvey · May 7th, 2009, 12:40 PM

Not yet, haven't had time to check, same problem with total media theater 3, plays 5d files full res and smooth but no sound. Not to concerned with sound as I record to a separate pro capture setup. but it's a nice way to review files on a big screen in the comfort of my office.

jh

Julian Frost · May 7th, 2009, 02:21 PM

Needless to say, I agree with Dylan on this. Neo Scene just works great. It had its ups and downs when it was first released (including an incompatibility with Nero 7), but everything is fixed and it works like a champ. It even fixes the crushed blacks issue which most of the other suggestions do not.

Julian

Stan Kern · May 7th, 2009, 03:26 PM

thanks for all the ideas ,will try neo scene next ,i do transfer the movies to the pc and play them from there .
Also the movie maker (winxp or vista)will not look at these files (unknown)
Appreciate the getting back to me

Chris Barcellos · May 7th, 2009, 03:59 PM

I have Dell with Intel 4 core setup. If I try to play the media from the card or transferred to my hard drives, full screen, there is stutter. If I reduce size while play through latest version of Quicktime, stutter is eliminated. Conclusion ? My system/video card can't convert the full size image quick enough.

When I use NeoScene, and convert, full screen play back is clean.

Stan Kern · May 7th, 2009, 05:52 PM

I'm really surprised at canon for creating an *.mov file which is not friendly with xp or visa
I did convert the video file to an *.avi and that was not too bad but i guess the proper term is stutter,i have a canon S80 that takes videos at 1024x768 and they are flawless,i have not found neo scene yet for playback,i don't like quicktime becasue it takes over all video files
Also does the auto focus work in the movie mode?

Also its not the systems as i have fast hot systems powerful video and my results are such that i started this thread asking about it

Julian Frost · May 7th, 2009, 06:58 PM

Go to Cineform.com and download the free 15-day Neo Scene trial. You won't be sorry you did.

Julian

Stan Kern · May 7th, 2009, 07:26 PM

thanks will do tonight,just did a test ,recorded a video then converted it to mpeg4 using mk convert and it worked perfect in the high res.
But i will download the program memtioned.

Stan Kern · May 7th, 2009, 07:43 PM

a lot of programs will run the video ,ie nero .power dvd ver8.0 and the video flow is fine but no audio ,so to get this video working you have to convert the file to something other than *.mov or use Neo Scene

Stan Kern · May 7th, 2009, 07:52 PM

there is no trial download ,they must have stopped it

May 6th, 2009, 08:13 PM	#1
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	jerky video at the highest res I am using 8 gig cards rated at 133x kingston and the specs were well above what canon suggested but i am finding my videos jerky(highest res setting) on playback through say elements 7.0,through the camera they are fine . Should i be converting the *.mov file to something else ,can anone suggest why i have this

May 7th, 2009, 11:57 AM	#6
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Stan, it isn't the cards. I use nearly the same ones. If the in camera playback doesnt stutter, it isn't the card. My nearly brand new editing PC stutters while playing these .movs. I convert all mine to Cineform and they play flawlessly at full frame, even in an NLE with multiple layers. Cineform Neo Scene is a must have if you are on a PC. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

May 7th, 2009, 03:26 PM	#9
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	from stan on the jerking thanks for all the ideas ,will try neo scene next ,i do transfer the movies to the pc and play them from there . Also the movie maker (winxp or vista)will not look at these files (unknown) Appreciate the getting back to me

May 7th, 2009, 03:59 PM	#10
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	I have Dell with Intel 4 core setup. If I try to play the media from the card or transferred to my hard drives, full screen, there is stutter. If I reduce size while play through latest version of Quicktime, stutter is eliminated. Conclusion ? My system/video card can't convert the full size image quick enough. When I use NeoScene, and convert, full screen play back is clean. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

May 7th, 2009, 05:52 PM	#11
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	jerky video I'm really surprised at canon for creating an .mov file which is not friendly with xp or visa I did convert the video file to an .avi and that was not too bad but i guess the proper term is stutter,i have a canon S80 that takes videos at 1024x768 and they are flawless,i have not found neo scene yet for playback,i don't like quicktime becasue it takes over all video files Also does the auto focus work in the movie mode? Also its not the systems as i have fast hot systems powerful video and my results are such that i started this thread asking about it

May 7th, 2009, 01:01 AM	#2
Julian Frost Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California USA Posts: 576	It probably not the card, but the computer. The 5D mk II's MOV files are recorded at a very high bandwidth which most PCs cannot handle well. Take a look at the Cineform Showcase forum for "Neo Scene". It converts the MOV files to Cineform HD intermediate files (which give you many benefits!). You can play and edit those CFHD files in real time. It's costs $99 from videoguys.com. Julian

May 7th, 2009, 01:05 AM	#3
John Harvey Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: los angeles, ca Posts: 76	try using powerdvd 9

May 7th, 2009, 04:42 AM	#4
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	Any modern computer should be able to play these files as long as it is capable of 1080p playback of any form e.g. BluRay. This rules out the little netbooks like the MSI Wind as their Intel Atom processor & modest graphics cards struggle with any HD video but. I can confirm that a new model Mac Mini is perfectly capable of playing these files out of the box. NeoScene may be useful on Windows as an Intermediate CODEC when editing but if you just want to play the videos then you can convert to a lower bit rate or resolution using the excellent & free MPEG Streamclip Squared 5 - MPEG Streamclip video converter for Mac and Windows

May 7th, 2009, 11:41 AM	#5
Julian Frost Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California USA Posts: 576	Stan said he was playing them back through an NLE (Premier Elements) and the MOV files were stuttering. Having just re-read his post, it also sounds as though he is maybe trying to play the video clips back directly from the card, rather than by downloading them to the computer first. John, you recommended Power DVD in another thread. Did you resolve the audio issue with Power DVD? Julian

May 7th, 2009, 12:40 PM	#7
John Harvey Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: los angeles, ca Posts: 76	Not yet, haven't had time to check, same problem with total media theater 3, plays 5d files full res and smooth but no sound. Not to concerned with sound as I record to a separate pro capture setup. but it's a nice way to review files on a big screen in the comfort of my office. jh

May 7th, 2009, 02:21 PM	#8
Julian Frost Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California USA Posts: 576	Needless to say, I agree with Dylan on this. Neo Scene just works great. It had its ups and downs when it was first released (including an incompatibility with Nero 7), but everything is fixed and it works like a champ. It even fixes the crushed blacks issue which most of the other suggestions do not. Julian

May 7th, 2009, 06:58 PM	#12
Julian Frost Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California USA Posts: 576	Go to Cineform.com and download the free 15-day Neo Scene trial. You won't be sorry you did. Julian

May 7th, 2009, 07:26 PM	#13
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	jerky video thanks will do tonight,just did a test ,recorded a video then converted it to mpeg4 using mk convert and it worked perfect in the high res. But i will download the program memtioned.

May 7th, 2009, 07:43 PM	#14
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	also a lot of programs will run the video ,ie nero .power dvd ver8.0 and the video flow is fine but no audio ,so to get this video working you have to convert the file to something other than *.mov or use Neo Scene

May 7th, 2009, 07:52 PM	#15
Stan Kern Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 40	neo scene there is no trial download ,they must have stopped it