New Final Cut and 5Dmk2 footage at DVinfo.net

John Benton · August 10th, 2009, 08:19 AM

Anyone know about the new Final Cut working directly with the footage or do we still need to convert it to ProRes first?
Thanks
J

Tom Daigon · August 10th, 2009, 08:58 AM

You must convert.

John Benton · August 10th, 2009, 09:02 AM

My bet is that mPeg Streamclip is still faster.
Thanks Tom,
izza shame. No FCP upgrade for me

Lee Bryant · August 10th, 2009, 02:03 PM

Why do people convert the clips? I've edited the raw files in FCP without any problems. What a I missing here?

Thanks.

I made this in FCP without any transcoding.

http://vimeo.com/5435379

Learvis Templeton Jr. · August 10th, 2009, 02:41 PM

You don't have to transcode the files if your Mac is fast and powerful enough. On my Mac Pro which is a year old the clips play fine. When I add transitions it slows down somewhat.
On my MacBook Pro I just got the 17 inch last week you can play the clips but as soon as you add any transitions or effects you have to render for play back. What I do it make all my cuts add transitions and send it to color on the round trip it return the sequence as proress so you can play it on your laptop or desktop. It works the same in FCS 2 and the New FCS version 3

Andrew Clark · August 10th, 2009, 05:03 PM

NeoScene from Cineform will work as well...maybe better that Streamclip...as NeoScene retains the 0-255 range while using FC ..... or even iMovie 09 for that matter.

Min Lee · August 10th, 2009, 06:06 PM

I read on another forum that when used with final cut server, it automatically creates prores proxy which you can edit directly. Maybe someone using the prores proxy can chime in on whether or not this is a better solution. I would particularly like to know if fc server converts to prores proxy any faster than mpeg streamclip.

Evan Donn · August 10th, 2009, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Clark

as NeoScene retains the 0-255 range while using FC

So does MPEG Streamclip.

Craig Linssen · August 10th, 2009, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Learvis Templeton Jr.

What I do it make all my cuts add transitions and send it to color on the round trip it return the sequence as proress so you can play it on your laptop or desktop. It works the same in FCS 2 and the New FCS version 3

Translation please?

Nigel Barker · August 10th, 2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Clark

NeoScene from Cineform will work as well...maybe better that Streamclip...as NeoScene retains the 0-255 range while using FC ..... or even iMovie 09 for that matter.

Neoscene costs an extra $129 for the basic version. However the Neoscene CODEC does not work in Color so if you want to use Neoscene & do professional colour correction then you need to pay $499 for Neoscen HD which includes Cineform's own colour correction application 'First Light'.

ProRes is part of Final Cut Pro at no extra cost.

Nigel Barker · August 10th, 2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Bryant

Why do people convert the clips? I've edited the raw files in FCP without any problems. What a I missing here?

Unlike any Windows video editing applications that I know of it is possible to edit the native 5DII files in FCP. However it is much easier to first convert them to ProRes otherwise the editing process takes much longer & is more difficult because of the requirement to render the footage. In my experience it also leads to the odd glitch, twitch or other problem in the final output that is avoided by converting to ProRes.

Jon Fairhurst · August 10th, 2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nigel Barker

Unlike any Windows video editing applications that I know of it is possible to edit the native 5DII files in FCP.

You can edit the native files (sort of) in Vegas, though you need to open them in QuickTime and save them without conversion as MP4 files in order to not clip the blacks and whites. It's just a re-wrap, not a conversion.

Of course, Cineform files play back much more efficiently. When using the re-wrapped files, it's best to use proxies (or RAM renders) to find the edit points, though you can use the originals for color correction.

Whatever. Cineform makes the whole process much more enjoyable on the PC.

Peter Damo · August 11th, 2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nigel Barker

Neoscene costs an extra $129 for the basic version. However the Neoscene CODEC does not work in Color so if you want to use Neoscene & do professional colour correction then you need to pay $499 for Neoscen HD which includes Cineform's own colour correction application 'First Light'.

Thanks Nigel. That's something I didn't notice on first look. Also, I might as well ask... has anyone used First Light and can give a short review?

Andrew Clark · August 12th, 2009, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Barker

Neoscene costs an extra $129 for the basic version. However the Neoscene CODEC does not work in Color so if you want to use Neoscene & do professional colour correction then you need to pay $499 for Neoscen HD which includes Cineform's own colour correction application 'First Light'.

ProRes is part of Final Cut Pro at no extra cost.

Is ProRes able to retain the 0-255 range?

Evan Donn · August 13th, 2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Clark

Is ProRes able to retain the 0-255 range?

Yes, as long as you have the quicktime update from a few months back (I believe it was the 7.6 update that resolved the range issue)

August 10th, 2009, 08:19 AM	#1
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	New Final Cut and 5Dmk2 footage Anyone know about the new Final Cut working directly with the footage or do we still need to convert it to ProRes first? Thanks J

August 10th, 2009, 09:02 AM	#3
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	Aaarg My bet is that mPeg Streamclip is still faster. Thanks Tom, izza shame. No FCP upgrade for me

August 10th, 2009, 02:41 PM	#5
Learvis Templeton Jr. New Boot Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wichita, Kansas Posts: 5	You don't have to transcode the files if your Mac is fast and powerful enough. On my Mac Pro which is a year old the clips play fine. When I add transitions it slows down somewhat. On my MacBook Pro I just got the 17 inch last week you can play the clips but as soon as you add any transitions or effects you have to render for play back. What I do it make all my cuts add transitions and send it to color on the round trip it return the sequence as proress so you can play it on your laptop or desktop. It works the same in FCS 2 and the New FCS version 3 Last edited by Learvis Templeton Jr.; August 10th, 2009 at 02:43 PM. Reason: add more info

August 10th, 2009, 08:58 AM	#2
Tom Daigon Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 170	You must convert.

August 10th, 2009, 02:03 PM	#4
Lee Bryant Tourist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston Posts: 2	Why do people convert the clips? I've edited the raw files in FCP without any problems. What a I missing here? Thanks. I made this in FCP without any transcoding. http://vimeo.com/5435379

August 10th, 2009, 05:03 PM	#6
Andrew Clark Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 477	NeoScene from Cineform will work as well...maybe better that Streamclip...as NeoScene retains the 0-255 range while using FC ..... or even iMovie 09 for that matter.

August 10th, 2009, 06:06 PM	#7
Min Lee Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 200	I read on another forum that when used with final cut server, it automatically creates prores proxy which you can edit directly. Maybe someone using the prores proxy can chime in on whether or not this is a better solution. I would particularly like to know if fc server converts to prores proxy any faster than mpeg streamclip.