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Douglas Joseph · August 11th, 2009, 07:06 PM

Hey, guys. I have a few upcoming commercials, and tomorrow I'm delivering some test footage to the broadcast station. I just realized today, that my footage isn't 29.97.

I had the footage exported as just a self contained QT file on FCP. Then through compressor, I changed the frame-rate to 29.97... I THOUGHT that changed it, but I was wrong. I finally took the time to look at it. Can anybody give me a solution to this. It's so nice to have a place to dump my questions, complaints, and all kinds of other jazz onto complete strangers. Thanks, everyone!

Perrone Ford · August 11th, 2009, 07:47 PM

30fps = 29.97. The numbering is just different. Change the numbering in your NLE.

Douglas Joseph · August 11th, 2009, 08:56 PM

Perrone, so that means I don't have to worry about changing anything in the timeline?

Perrone Ford · August 11th, 2009, 09:08 PM

No, you need to change the TIME on the timeline, but the video itself doesn't change at all. 29.97 is a counting method that uses 30fps video as it's basis.

Google "drop frame" and you should find what I talking about. BUT, if you are delivering to a TV station, they will want the timeline to be in dropframe so that the timing comes out accurately.

Olof Ekbergh · August 11th, 2009, 09:21 PM

Use Cinema Tools to Conform to 29.97.

Just open clip and then click conform to 29.97.

You can do batches of clips too. Do this before editing or after on exported .mov.

29.97 is different than 30, it is a slower frame rate.

Perrone Ford · August 11th, 2009, 09:34 PM

Whoa, hang on. I forgot we were talking about a DSLR here and not a video camera. Does the 5D shoot 30 TRUE frames per second? No consumer based video cameras do so this is important if you will need audio sync.

Anyway, I'll defer to those more experienced with THIS particular camera.

Jon Fairhurst · August 12th, 2009, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Perrone Ford

Does the 5D shoot 30 TRUE frames per second?

Yes. It shoots 30.00, not 29.97. In general, the solution is to slow both the video and audio by 0.1% to avoid dropped frames and audio sync problems.

Perrone Ford · August 12th, 2009, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst

Yes. It shoots 30.00, not 29.97. In general, the solution is to slow both the video and audio by 0.1% to avoid dropped frames and audio sync problems.

Thanks Jon. I hadn't even thought about this camera shooting a true 30p since we never see that in general video cameras.

Douglas Joseph · August 12th, 2009, 10:08 AM

I think I got it down now. Why the heck did Canon have this camera shoot 30fps? Is there an advantage to shooting true 30fps? It seems to me like it's just a giant headache.

Perrone Ford · August 12th, 2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Joseph

I think I got it down now. Why the heck did Canon have this camera shoot 30fps? Is there an advantage to shooting true 30fps? It seems to me like it's just a giant headache.

Advantage is that it's simpler the way they've done it. PITA for the video based shooter. But honestly, it's no different than shooting real film, and having to do IVTC to get to 23.98 to sync up for video. Process is exactly the same.

Douglas Joseph · August 12th, 2009, 11:08 AM

You're the man, Perrone. Thanks for the insight. It's always cool to hear about that sort of stuff.

Perrone Ford · August 12th, 2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Joseph

You're the man, Perrone. Thanks for the insight. It's always cool to hear about that sort of stuff.

Nah dude... I'm just learning like everyone else here. I learn something every day on this forum from the REAL gurus.

Hugh Mobley · August 12th, 2009, 09:29 PM

Cineform NeoScene converts to 29.97, they have a trial for 7 days

Nigel Barker · August 12th, 2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Mobley

Cineform NeoScene converts to 29.97, they have a trial for 7 days

As Olof already posted there is no need to buy any additional software. The OP is using FCP & will already have Cinema Tools as part of the whole Final Cut Studio. The Conform function is used to change frame rate. This works instantly as it just changes the frame rate in the file header there is no processing, conversion or rendering involved.

Ray Bell · August 13th, 2009, 04:53 AM

There are advantages that Cineform provides.... Cineform also corrects the gamma of
the footage and a Cineform intermediate file is much easier to edit..

if you step up to the higher end products of Cineform there are lots of great extras... like being able to edit the footage as if it were a RAW video footage... or upscaling if your mixing
the 5DMKII footage with Red footage....

Cineform has lots of value, just depends if you need the value.

August 11th, 2009, 07:06 PM	#1
Douglas Joseph Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Zanesville OH Posts: 205	30fps, to 29.97. Hey, guys. I have a few upcoming commercials, and tomorrow I'm delivering some test footage to the broadcast station. I just realized today, that my footage isn't 29.97. I had the footage exported as just a self contained QT file on FCP. Then through compressor, I changed the frame-rate to 29.97... I THOUGHT that changed it, but I was wrong. I finally took the time to look at it. Can anybody give me a solution to this. It's so nice to have a place to dump my questions, complaints, and all kinds of other jazz onto complete strangers. Thanks, everyone! __________________ "Warriors... Come out to play..." www.importexporthd.com Last edited by Douglas Joseph; August 11th, 2009 at 08:57 PM.

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August 11th, 2009, 08:56 PM	#3
Douglas Joseph Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Zanesville OH Posts: 205	Perrone, so that means I don't have to worry about changing anything in the timeline? __________________ "Warriors... Come out to play..." www.importexporthd.com

August 11th, 2009, 09:08 PM	#4
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	No, you need to change the TIME on the timeline, but the video itself doesn't change at all. 29.97 is a counting method that uses 30fps video as it's basis. Google "drop frame" and you should find what I talking about. BUT, if you are delivering to a TV station, they will want the timeline to be in dropframe so that the timing comes out accurately. __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

August 11th, 2009, 09:34 PM	#6
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	Whoa, hang on. I forgot we were talking about a DSLR here and not a video camera. Does the 5D shoot 30 TRUE frames per second? No consumer based video cameras do so this is important if you will need audio sync. Anyway, I'll defer to those more experienced with THIS particular camera. __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

August 11th, 2009, 09:21 PM	#5
Olof Ekbergh Sponsor: Westside AV Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mount Washington Valley, NH, USA Posts: 1,365	Use Cinema Tools to Conform to 29.97. Just open clip and then click conform to 29.97. You can do batches of clips too. Do this before editing or after on exported .mov. 29.97 is different than 30, it is a slower frame rate.

August 12th, 2009, 10:08 AM	#9
Douglas Joseph Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Zanesville OH Posts: 205	I think I got it down now. Why the heck did Canon have this camera shoot 30fps? Is there an advantage to shooting true 30fps? It seems to me like it's just a giant headache. __________________ "Warriors... Come out to play..." www.importexporthd.com

August 12th, 2009, 11:08 AM	#11
Douglas Joseph Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Zanesville OH Posts: 205	You're the man, Perrone. Thanks for the insight. It's always cool to hear about that sort of stuff. __________________ "Warriors... Come out to play..." www.importexporthd.com

August 12th, 2009, 09:29 PM	#13
Hugh Mobley Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Placentia, Calif Posts: 549	Cineform NeoScene converts to 29.97, they have a trial for 7 days __________________ Hugh Mobley www.petplanetvideos.com http://exposureroom.com/members/hmobley.aspx/

August 13th, 2009, 04:53 AM	#15
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	There are advantages that Cineform provides.... Cineform also corrects the gamma of the footage and a Cineform intermediate file is much easier to edit.. if you step up to the higher end products of Cineform there are lots of great extras... like being able to edit the footage as if it were a RAW video footage... or upscaling if your mixing the 5DMKII footage with Red footage.... Cineform has lots of value, just depends if you need the value.