Beware of this invalid camera test at DVinfo.net

Manus Sweeney · March 3rd, 2010, 02:36 PM

Comparison tests of the Canon 5D Mark II, Sony PMW-EX3, RED One, Sony F35, and Arri D21 (the end of the clip is easier to see the comparisons)..

Maybe the picture profiles werent dialled down to a flat setting but its still pretty shocking!

Ben Cain - Negative Spaces - Michael Ballhaus: Over and Under Exposure Tests

Chris Barcellos · March 3rd, 2010, 02:59 PM

I assume what they label as D5 is the 5D Mark II.

I am not sure what that was all about since no sound was provided, but I don't think there is any surprise that video has less latitude than film..... Our challenge as film makers is to work within the medium we have.

Bill Grant · March 3rd, 2010, 04:12 PM

I'm so glad I couldn't tell the difference between any of them. I was very excited to see that the 5D looked almost the same as the rest.
Bill

Manus Sweeney · March 3rd, 2010, 04:16 PM

i guess you didnt watch the clip till the end!?

its the side by sides that were quite scary.. im sure theres many variables and reasons why it could have turned out so bad but i was curious to see what people think about it

Stephen Mick · March 3rd, 2010, 04:19 PM

Tests like this make me glad nobody watches movies in the "side-by-side-comparison" format. An interesting test, certainly, that changes nothing about how I work.

Richard Gooderick · March 3rd, 2010, 04:52 PM

I'm not even going to watch it.
Winter is too cold. Summer is too hot. The glass is half empty.
Life is too short.
;-)

Chris Barcellos · March 3rd, 2010, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manus Sweeney

i guess you didnt watch the clip till the end!?

its the side by sides that were quite scary.. im sure theres many variables and reasons why it could have turned out so bad but i was curious to see what people think about it

we don't even know how they processed this stuff. 5D footage processed through Cineform recovers detail at both end of the spectrum, that Canon's codec preserves. So this is a real piece of junk "test" apparently sponsored by film sellers, from what I can tell...

Peer Landa · March 3rd, 2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

we don't even know how they processed this stuff.

Doesn't even look like they white balanced the 5D.

-- peer

Manus Sweeney · March 4th, 2010, 03:30 AM

im pretty sure its a difference in saturation rather than in white balance.. i guess a DP with a cv like this wouldn't forget to white balance! (even if he didn't know how to flatten the picture profile) Michael Ballhaus (I)

personally im new to DSLR video (and a big supporter) and not long in video at all but i do like to follow developments in camera technology. For me the result of watching the test wasnt to say that HDDSLRs are bad, but its maybe a gentle reminder that there is a reason why an EX3 costs 4 times as much as a 5d and a red costs 4 times as much as an EX3.

For those that arent interested in these kind of comparisons, my apologies for posting but personally i found it quite eye opening and was genuninely curious about opinions on the results and the validity of the test..

Nicholas de Kock · March 4th, 2010, 09:26 AM

This test is quite flattering for Canon. Their consumer 5D tested along side the Sony F35, Arri D21 is a scary thought considering that the Sony F35 & D21 costs over $100k! The test is rather useless though, the only thing that really matters is what the image looks like properly exposed any over exposed footage is garbage on any camera. Having worked with the 5/7D it's clear that the 5D was not flattened out, looks like factory presets. Once again the 5DII is a $2500 camera compared to cameras over $100 000! Shocking!

This test displayed in cinema would look totally different I bet but on the web all cameras are equal.

Nigel Barker · March 4th, 2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Manus Sweeney

For me the result of watching the test wasnt to say that HDDSLRs are bad, but its maybe a gentle reminder that there is a reason why an EX3 costs 4 times as much as a 5d and a red costs 4 times as much as an EX3.

An Arri D21 or Sony F35 without lenses costs more to rent for one day than the 5DII costs to buy outright. Clairmont - HD/Digital Cameras

Nicholas de Kock · March 4th, 2010, 09:50 AM

There is something "very" wrong with those side by side comparisons. Whoever did them must think we are complete idiots. The side by side on that Vimeo clip is a complete fix, I took screen shots of every exposure stage and compiled my own comparison. The saturation on the 5DII is not even normal, someone really cocked up.

Manus Sweeney · March 4th, 2010, 10:03 AM

well spotted!

certainly something fishy going on there.. ok i guess we can put an end to the thread and (for whoevers interested) wait for Philip Bloom and co's film vs HDDSLR results next week!

Ian G. Thompson · March 4th, 2010, 10:23 AM

This test is crazy off.

Jim Giberti · March 4th, 2010, 10:55 AM

First, For those of you that might be tempted to watch this - you'll be better people for not doing so.

Second - there are reasons why it's a good idea to have a pretty woman or at least a still life when doing a comparison test.

March 3rd, 2010, 02:36 PM	#1
Manus Sweeney Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 217	Beware of this invalid camera test Comparison tests of the Canon 5D Mark II, Sony PMW-EX3, RED One, Sony F35, and Arri D21 (the end of the clip is easier to see the comparisons).. Maybe the picture profiles werent dialled down to a flat setting but its still pretty shocking! Ben Cain - Negative Spaces - Michael Ballhaus: Over and Under Exposure Tests

March 3rd, 2010, 02:59 PM	#2
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	I assume what they label as D5 is the 5D Mark II. I am not sure what that was all about since no sound was provided, but I don't think there is any surprise that video has less latitude than film..... Our challenge as film makers is to work within the medium we have. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 3rd, 2010, 04:12 PM	#3
Bill Grant Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Columbia,SC Posts: 806	I'm so glad I couldn't tell the difference between any of them. I was very excited to see that the 5D looked almost the same as the rest. Bill __________________ Cinema Couture www.cinemacouture.com

March 3rd, 2010, 04:52 PM	#6
Richard Gooderick Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 795	I'm not even going to watch it. Winter is too cold. Summer is too hot. The glass is half empty. Life is too short. ;-) __________________ http://www.gooderick.com Last edited by Richard Gooderick; March 4th, 2010 at 02:50 AM. Reason: spelling error

March 4th, 2010, 03:30 AM	#9
Manus Sweeney Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 217	im pretty sure its a difference in saturation rather than in white balance.. i guess a DP with a cv like this wouldn't forget to white balance! (even if he didn't know how to flatten the picture profile) Michael Ballhaus (I) personally im new to DSLR video (and a big supporter) and not long in video at all but i do like to follow developments in camera technology. For me the result of watching the test wasnt to say that HDDSLRs are bad, but its maybe a gentle reminder that there is a reason why an EX3 costs 4 times as much as a 5d and a red costs 4 times as much as an EX3. For those that arent interested in these kind of comparisons, my apologies for posting but personally i found it quite eye opening and was genuninely curious about opinions on the results and the validity of the test.. Last edited by Manus Sweeney; March 4th, 2010 at 05:23 AM.

March 3rd, 2010, 04:16 PM	#4
Manus Sweeney Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 217	i guess you didnt watch the clip till the end!? its the side by sides that were quite scary.. im sure theres many variables and reasons why it could have turned out so bad but i was curious to see what people think about it

March 3rd, 2010, 04:19 PM	#5
Stephen Mick Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 167	Tests like this make me glad nobody watches movies in the "side-by-side-comparison" format. An interesting test, certainly, that changes nothing about how I work.

March 4th, 2010, 09:26 AM	#10
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	This test is quite flattering for Canon. Their consumer 5D tested along side the Sony F35, Arri D21 is a scary thought considering that the Sony F35 & D21 costs over $100k! The test is rather useless though, the only thing that really matters is what the image looks like properly exposed any over exposed footage is garbage on any camera. Having worked with the 5/7D it's clear that the 5D was not flattened out, looks like factory presets. Once again the 5DII is a $2500 camera compared to cameras over $100 000! Shocking! This test displayed in cinema would look totally different I bet but on the web all cameras are equal.

March 4th, 2010, 09:50 AM	#12
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	There is something "very" wrong with those side by side comparisons. Whoever did them must think we are complete idiots. The side by side on that Vimeo clip is a complete fix, I took screen shots of every exposure stage and compiled my own comparison. The saturation on the 5DII is not even normal, someone really cocked up. Attached Thumbnails

March 4th, 2010, 10:03 AM	#13
Manus Sweeney Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 217	well spotted! certainly something fishy going on there.. ok i guess we can put an end to the thread and (for whoevers interested) wait for Philip Bloom and co's film vs HDDSLR results next week!

March 4th, 2010, 10:23 AM	#14
Ian G. Thompson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rockledge, Florida Posts: 351	This test is crazy off.

March 4th, 2010, 10:55 AM	#15
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	First, For those of you that might be tempted to watch this - you'll be better people for not doing so. Second - there are reasons why it's a good idea to have a pretty woman or at least a still life when doing a comparison test. Last edited by Pete Bauer; March 4th, 2010 at 12:35 PM. Reason: flame bait