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Old September 14th, 2003, 10:16 PM   #1
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Sound settings for GL2

Alright it's time to put this horse to rest.

I have the GL2, MA300 and the Samson M32 wireless lav mic and receiver. I've read the manuals and searched the forums but can't get a clear answer to what settings should I use.

My options are:

On the GL2: Mic Att on or off
On the Samson M32: -30, -20, -10dBm's.
Now if I'm running the M32 into the MA300 via the mini-XLR then what setting should I be using. And whats all this Mic level and Line level inputs stuff?

Thanks for the help everybody,

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Old September 14th, 2003, 11:18 PM   #2
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Im new at this myself, so bare with me. I dont have the exact same equipment, but from what I can gather. Mic Att is set to off. I assume your -30, -20, -10 is the sensitivity on the wireless mics, but I could be wrong(I dont have that mic). I set mine to 10 or 15 most of the time if thats what your asking. Use Manual setting(switch) for sound on the side of the cam. Use mic is ususall set higher than line. Use Mic. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask. Hopefully some of the other experts can shed some more light with your wireless.


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Old September 15th, 2003, 04:45 AM   #3
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I would try the wireless mic output at -30, if that setting corresponds to -30 dBV output. And I would set the GL2 to MIC ATT, which should correspond to around -30 dBV input sensitivitiy. If that works well for you, great. If the level is too low, then try the wireless at -20 and so on before changing the input sensitivity of the GL2 to MIC.
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Old September 15th, 2003, 05:09 AM   #4
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Don - excellent and clear advice.

I did a wedding shoot on Saturday. I used your tip about setting the Mic ATT ON for the very VERY noisy disco dance sequences. This reduced the "noise" levels remarkably, when viewed on a full deck and large TV, with the Boss. I was very pleased withe results and yout hint.

My question is this: Why is the Mic ATT setting within the VCR menu? Why isn't it within the Camcorder Setup menu? I really don't expect you to answer this - I'm presuming you aren't a Canon techie?

Anyway, went to VCR setup and Mic ATT ON and it worked. Believe me, if I hadn't the sound would have been awful!

As a footnote, and because I use the V3watt tiny lamp - good for 3-4 foot PLUS the disco lights - I was using the XM2 onboard mic - worked like a dream.

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Old September 15th, 2003, 11:48 AM   #5
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I'm a little worried about using the MIC ATT. I typically have a Senn ME66/K6 (red dot) on board and a Samson UM32 wireless set at -30 with Senn 835 mic at the band or DJ speaker. Sometimes, audio is too hot but I've had audio to soft to fix in post. To dangerous to test at a wedding...any thoughts?
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Old September 15th, 2003, 07:02 PM   #6
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Best never to test on a paid, live shoot where there are no chance for retakes. Always test when it doen't matter. That said, stage a test. Not hard to do. Fiind some friends to play the wimpering bride, a tongue-tied groom, an overbearing preacher, and so on.

As to why on the VCR mode menu? Who knows.
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 10:09 AM   #7
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This thread saved me a lot of grief...

Thanks!

I was shooting a live Christmas concert for a choral/orchestral group I had shot this summer. When I arrived on Saturday, they told me the local WB affiliate wanted to air my footage on Christmas day!

So, they wanted me to get a line in from the sound board. I'm still pretty new to this, and had not done this with my GL2 before, but we got it set up. Problem was the sound coming in was too hot and very distorted (thank goodness I grabbed some headphones and checked levels, since it wasn't even close to pegging the meter on the display).

I ended up taping the house (as I had originally planned - they were more than happy with that from the summer concert). But I found this thread late Saturday night and found where the Mic ATT was. And thankfully they had a second show on Sunday afternoon. I was able to get a good feed, and now I'll also be able to mix in the applause from the house feed from Saturday's show.

I agree that it's best not to try this stuff for the first time on a paid job, but I had no time to do otherwise. Fortunately it looks like things will work out in the end.

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Old December 2nd, 2003, 10:28 AM   #8
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Oh yessshhhh that MIC ATT - good eh?!?!

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Old December 2nd, 2003, 11:14 AM   #9
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Remember that MIC ATT is one of the presets you can assign to the Custom button on the side of your camera. That way you can easily turn it on and off as the conditions warrant (too much wind for example).

It is completely straight forward in that you have to press the button then make a menu choice with the wheel but it is simpler than drilling down through the menus.
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 04:09 PM   #10
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Bob I don't know about your Samson mic, but you could always pad down the ME66 with it's own attenuator so that you can turn off MIC ATT and then have good signals with both mics. Alternatively and I think what I would do (So that noise is less) would be to preamp the quieter mic (Why not just use less attenutation on the wireless?) and then have MIC ATT on.

Would this not work for you?

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Old December 3rd, 2003, 09:52 AM   #11
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Best is to keep the Mic ATT off and ride your levels. I always wear headphones to monitor the recorded audio, and ride the audio levels manually. Sometimes the Mic ATT circuitry can introduce a Pumping sound which is awful. Just keep an ear and eye on the audio levels and you should be fine.
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