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Alan McCormick · January 31st, 2004, 03:28 PM

This may seem a daft question, I am probably mixed up but here goes.....

Referring to P88 in the users' manual I would like to see the Camera data but on tape when captured on the PC if possible.

As I am fairly new and still learning daily, I would like to capture/record data for review purposes. I feel this will allow me to grasp the manual exposure settings etc better.

Your advise is appreciated.

Ken Tanaka · January 31st, 2004, 08:15 PM

Not a "daft" question at all, Alan.

Just to be clear, I understand that you would like to somehow recover the date/time/exposure data from the DV footage during capture and post-production work. Is this correct?

(BTW, "P88" refers to the XM2 manual, not the GL2 manual. I think the corresponding page for the GL2's manual is page 90.)

Alan McCormick · February 1st, 2004, 12:42 AM

1. Yes Ken, I would like to see the F stop - Shutter and dB settings on the footage once captured. Just like you can with the date/time so I can see where posssible problems are. This is a learning tool hopefully and don't expect to use it all the time.

2. Yes it is the XM2 manual, sorry forgot to say so. I am in the U (PAL land).

Thanks

Alan McCormick · February 4th, 2004, 02:28 PM

Ken,

Have you got any answers to the Data Code thread?
TIA

Ken Tanaka · February 4th, 2004, 02:42 PM

Alan,
Sorry to have forgotten this. I am actually surprised that nobody else replied.

To my knowledge there is no way to retrieve that information from the tape. There may well be some little-known tool to do so but I've never heard of it.

I certainly agre that it sure would be nice to have accessible.

Graham Bernard · February 4th, 2004, 02:57 PM

Welll . . there maybe something of a solution. We can get the info to display on a tellie - yeah? This I've done . . Now all you need is some form of capture in the line out . . - yeah?

Now, if you've got "another" cammie, that allows the fim stream to be captured IN, then you've got it. You don't capture on the XM2, you capture on the secondary device . . should work . .

Grazie

Graham Bernard · February 4th, 2004, 03:14 PM

Alan, I've been reduced to actually reading off the data so that I can hear it on review. "Okay, I've now got White Balance. F is . . I've manual focussed . .! " . . the only drawback is when doing this in a crowded place people think I'm NUTZ! - Well they would be correct . .but it gets me what I want. It also, seriously, makes it very clear to me what I've done . .there IS a type of Brain Feedback for me when I speak out what I've done - yeah? . It was the way I did the IoV Audio File fore the Equalizer gizmo . . yeah? It does work . .part from anything else I do llloooove the sound of my own voice . . HAH!!!

Grazie

Alan McCormick · February 4th, 2004, 03:34 PM

Ken,

Thanks, would be nice to have I agree. It is on tape so automatically thought you could capture.

Grazie,

Well that makes us both NUTZZ

I have been doing that since I got the XM2 so a few funny looks but who cares.

Nice to see we are on the same wavelength.

ps going to Wembley on Tuesday, catch U then if you R around and thanks for your

Graham Bernard · February 4th, 2004, 03:41 PM

Let's swap Mob numbers . . It'll be easy to make arrangements . .I'm going every day . .too many pople to see and too many things to see and experience - Wooooah Hoo!!!

Grazie

Rob Lohman · February 4th, 2004, 04:23 PM

I can tell you that the information is definitely in the files that
you capture on the PC. The problem is reading the information.
To the best of my knowledge no application can actually display
the information beyond timecode and date & time.

Alan McCormick · February 5th, 2004, 12:20 AM

Guessed as much Rob, thanks for the confirmation.

Not to worry, I still have speech and don't mind the funny looks from onlookers.

Colin Sze · February 10th, 2004, 02:13 AM

Alan, if the clips are for your own reference, you can have the data code permanently recorded on the tape by turning "CHAR. REC" on under "SYSTEM" menu. I did this when I first received my XM2 and tried different setting to see the result. But only shooting in manual mode, you are able to see full data. In actual shooting, and if situation allows, I would shoot with "CHAR. REC" on for 10 - 15 frames to record my setting first; then turn it off to shoot the rest. You can always clip that part with data code in NLE after capturing the footage onto your HDD.
For Run-and-Shot situation, I think we'd better stick to "GRAZIE WAY"; shout loud to the mic and make people think you are flash gang.
Image when you are shooting in a concert; while the grand orchestra is playing Bach and one of the audience speaks to himself: "Shutter 1/50, aperture 4, WB manual ..... gain ???...."
Rock concert is OK though!

Alan McCormick · February 10th, 2004, 02:20 PM

Thanks Colin, this IS what I was after.
I will try this out.

By the way I finally met Grazie today at Wembley Video Forum! He is big enough to do it at a Bach concert too & get away with it ;-D

OT
Grazie, could not get into the White balance seminar (too busy).
Pity I cannot get back this week.

Graham Bernard · February 10th, 2004, 02:30 PM

H e l l o . . . Alan . . ah .. Ehm just a wee pussycat! Really!!

Anyways great to see you . . . OT . .Contact for the Senni Closed back HEadphones?

The Forum was great . . the WB thinbgy was so easy to understand, I even understood too!!

Grazie

Michael Connor · February 17th, 2004, 05:36 PM

Yea i thoroughly enjoyed the forum too. Laughed when i read the above because ive been doing the same, out shooting on moors etc, and shouting F 1.6, gain 10 db etc etc! Rather frustratingly the best settings keep turning out to be the same ones that the auto mode selects! With the exception of auto not taking care of the overexposure that my zebra stripes tell me about.
With reference to the above, camera data being stored on tapes. Someone at the conference who sold me some sony premium tapes, 9 for £27, told me that some similar sony tapes next to them, they may have been called excellence im not sure, stored tape data? They were double the price. Indeed he had them labelled 'chipped' whereas my premier tapes were 'unchipped'. I was a little confused here, my understanding of the difference between the grades was that the excellence was better if you use the long play recording modes, which i dont. But this fella reckoned that they stored extra data on them, and said my camera probably already stored timecode so i would only need the unchipped??? Is this anything at all to do with the data were talking about?

January 31st, 2004, 03:28 PM	#1
Alan McCormick Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chatham, UK Posts: 282	Data Codes This may seem a daft question, I am probably mixed up but here goes..... Referring to P88 in the users' manual I would like to see the Camera data but on tape when captured on the PC if possible. As I am fairly new and still learning daily, I would like to capture/record data for review purposes. I feel this will allow me to grasp the manual exposure settings etc better. Your advise is appreciated. __________________ Alan McC

January 31st, 2004, 08:15 PM	#2
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Not a "daft" question at all, Alan. Just to be clear, I understand that you would like to somehow recover the date/time/exposure data from the DV footage during capture and post-production work. Is this correct? (BTW, "P88" refers to the XM2 manual, not the GL2 manual. I think the corresponding page for the GL2's manual is page 90.) __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

February 1st, 2004, 12:42 AM	#3
Alan McCormick Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chatham, UK Posts: 282	1. Yes Ken, I would like to see the F stop - Shutter and dB settings on the footage once captured. Just like you can with the date/time so I can see where posssible problems are. This is a learning tool hopefully and don't expect to use it all the time. 2. Yes it is the XM2 manual, sorry forgot to say so. I am in the U (PAL land). Thanks __________________ Alan McC

February 4th, 2004, 02:28 PM	#4
Alan McCormick Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chatham, UK Posts: 282	Ken, Have you got any answers to the Data Code thread? TIA __________________ Alan McC

February 4th, 2004, 02:42 PM	#5
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Alan, Sorry to have forgotten this. I am actually surprised that nobody else replied. To my knowledge there is no way to retrieve that information from the tape. There may well be some little-known tool to do so but I've never heard of it. I certainly agre that it sure would be nice to have accessible. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

February 4th, 2004, 02:57 PM	#6
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	. . errmmm . . would this do it? Welll . . there maybe something of a solution. We can get the info to display on a tellie - yeah? This I've done . . Now all you need is some form of capture in the line out . . - yeah? Now, if you've got "another" cammie, that allows the fim stream to be captured IN, then you've got it. You don't capture on the XM2, you capture on the secondary device . . should work . . Grazie

February 4th, 2004, 03:14 PM	#7
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Talk The Walk! ! ! Alan, I've been reduced to actually reading off the data so that I can hear it on review. "Okay, I've now got White Balance. F is . . I've manual focussed . .! " . . the only drawback is when doing this in a crowded place people think I'm NUTZ! - Well they would be correct . .but it gets me what I want. It also, seriously, makes it very clear to me what I've done . .there IS a type of Brain Feedback for me when I speak out what I've done - yeah? . It was the way I did the IoV Audio File fore the Equalizer gizmo . . yeah? It does work . .part from anything else I do llloooove the sound of my own voice . . HAH!!! Grazie

February 4th, 2004, 03:34 PM	#8
Alan McCormick Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chatham, UK Posts: 282	Ken, Thanks, would be nice to have I agree. It is on tape so automatically thought you could capture. Grazie, Well that makes us both NUTZZ I have been doing that since I got the XM2 so a few funny looks but who cares. Nice to see we are on the same wavelength. ps going to Wembley on Tuesday, catch U then if you R around and thanks for your __________________ Alan McC

February 4th, 2004, 03:41 PM	#9
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Alan . .I'm trying to call you . . ! ! ! Let's swap Mob numbers . . It'll be easy to make arrangements . .I'm going every day . .too many pople to see and too many things to see and experience - Wooooah Hoo!!! Grazie

February 4th, 2004, 04:23 PM	#10
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I can tell you that the information is definitely in the files that you capture on the PC. The problem is reading the information. To the best of my knowledge no application can actually display the information beyond timecode and date & time. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 5th, 2004, 12:20 AM	#11
Alan McCormick Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chatham, UK Posts: 282	Guessed as much Rob, thanks for the confirmation. Not to worry, I still have speech and don't mind the funny looks from onlookers. __________________ Alan McC

February 10th, 2004, 02:13 AM	#12
Colin Sze Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 32	Alan, if the clips are for your own reference, you can have the data code permanently recorded on the tape by turning "CHAR. REC" on under "SYSTEM" menu. I did this when I first received my XM2 and tried different setting to see the result. But only shooting in manual mode, you are able to see full data. In actual shooting, and if situation allows, I would shoot with "CHAR. REC" on for 10 - 15 frames to record my setting first; then turn it off to shoot the rest. You can always clip that part with data code in NLE after capturing the footage onto your HDD. For Run-and-Shot situation, I think we'd better stick to "GRAZIE WAY"; shout loud to the mic and make people think you are flash gang. Image when you are shooting in a concert; while the grand orchestra is playing Bach and one of the audience speaks to himself: "Shutter 1/50, aperture 4, WB manual ..... gain ???...." Rock concert is OK though!

February 10th, 2004, 02:20 PM	#13
Alan McCormick Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chatham, UK Posts: 282	Thanks Colin, this IS what I was after. I will try this out. By the way I finally met Grazie today at Wembley Video Forum! He is big enough to do it at a Bach concert too & get away with it ;-D OT Grazie, could not get into the White balance seminar (too busy). Pity I cannot get back this week. __________________ Alan McC

February 10th, 2004, 02:30 PM	#14
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	H e l l o . . . Alan . . ah .. Ehm just a wee pussycat! Really!! Anyways great to see you . . . OT . .Contact for the Senni Closed back HEadphones? The Forum was great . . the WB thinbgy was so easy to understand, I even understood too!! Grazie

February 17th, 2004, 05:36 PM	#15
Michael Connor Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Durham, England Posts: 138	Yea i thoroughly enjoyed the forum too. Laughed when i read the above because ive been doing the same, out shooting on moors etc, and shouting F 1.6, gain 10 db etc etc! Rather frustratingly the best settings keep turning out to be the same ones that the auto mode selects! With the exception of auto not taking care of the overexposure that my zebra stripes tell me about. With reference to the above, camera data being stored on tapes. Someone at the conference who sold me some sony premium tapes, 9 for £27, told me that some similar sony tapes next to them, they may have been called excellence im not sure, stored tape data? They were double the price. Indeed he had them labelled 'chipped' whereas my premier tapes were 'unchipped'. I was a little confused here, my understanding of the difference between the grades was that the excellence was better if you use the long play recording modes, which i dont. But this fella reckoned that they stored extra data on them, and said my camera probably already stored timecode so i would only need the unchipped??? Is this anything at all to do with the data were talking about? __________________ StMichael

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