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Old August 10th, 2007, 03:03 PM   #1
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Canon HG10: download 24p video clips

Here is some footage Chris and I shot on Wed, as well as some screen shots of the footage and the FCP workflow.

the clips are encoded with ProRes 422, I'm not sure if you PC people can handle that (quicktime maybe?), but let me know and I can transcode into something that might work better for you.

I used Final Cut Pro 6 with the latest updates to transfer/transcode the files off the camera. Also as it turns out there are certain quicktime components that can't be installed (perian) if you are going to capture AVCHD footage.

Other than some component issues it was really a seamless process of getting the footage onto the computer. In FCP you have the option to either capture/transcode into ProRes 422 or into Apple Intermediate Codec. the time it took to transfer/transcode the footage on my 2.66 macpro was slightly longer than the duration of the footage ingested (12min of footage took about 13 min) with no other apps running the background.

As far as camera performance goes in the highest quality setting it looks to me to be very very close to the hv20, albeit a slightly softer image, and on the lower settings the image gets even softer with loss of sharpness and color. there was also some motion artifacting on fast shutter speeds with high motion subjects. the motion artifacting didn't seem to happen very often and is similar to what I've seen with the hv20 and mpeg2 artifacting.

Other things I noticed, the screen seemed considerably brighter than my HV20 which made checking exposure more difficult in the field, once in FCP the exposure bias on both cameras feels about the same. the selection/focus/everything else wheel I think is a big improvement as you can easily focus all the way through the range of the lens, the only detriment is that it is cheaply made and somewhat small, when trying use the directional pad I would hit the wheel and wind up somewhere other than where I wanted to be. the placement of the function and d-pad/wheel also makes making any kind of adjustments a two handed affair, whereas on the hv20 you can reach all the controls except focus with one hand.

Also, I've read reviews stating that the 24p on this camera was "compeletly unusable," from what I could tell the 24p on this camera handles exactly the same as the hv20, which I have no complaints about whatsoever.

The lack of zebras and peaking make it a much more difficult to find critical focus/exposure. the other glaring omission is the lack of manual audio control, using either the onboard or an external mic plugged into the mic port.

The playback in camera is pretty crisp, but unlike the hv20 you can't zoom into video files when playing back clips. the menus and controls are simple enough and fairly responsive, the lag isn't as noticeable in other HDD based cams I've played with.



Let me know if you have any other questions etc...

All the files live here:
http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/

Here are a few of note:

hg10 in FCP
http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg1...20in%20FCP.mov

hg10 in 24p (pulldown removed)
http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg1...p%20prores.mov

hg10 in 60i
http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg1...i%20prores.mov
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i'm currently uploading some h264 versions for people who don't want to download the prores versions, as well as the hv20 24p clips... should all be up with in the hour...
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Any chance of just the raw files themselves, not transcoded?
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added a couple to the queue to upload...
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THe videos play as a black screen, I hear sound though. :(
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playback

what are your system specs?
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-Win XP Pro
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-Geforce 6800 GT video card

I just updated quicktime also.
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what is a good lossless codec,anyone, that i can encode to that will work on a pc (coming from FCP/Compressor)?

here is a clip in AIC, let me know if this works for anyone...
http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg1...024p%20AIC.mov

here are some compressed versions (h264):
http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/compressed/

and here are a couple of raw files:
http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/raw%20files.zip
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here is an animation file, let me know if this one works...

http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg1...0animation.mov
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RAW Files

Thanks for the footage.

Is this the highest quality setting ? A bitrate analysis applied to the raw files displays a H264 bitrate between 6 and 9 MBPS (peak). The same test with simular footage from a Panasonic HDC-SD1 shows a peak rate of 13 MBPS.
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THe compressed versions worked great, and the footage is fantastic. I'm sold on this camera unless something else comes along before xmas.

thanks again for posting.
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They probably aren't, if I remember correctly this cam shoots 15, 12, 8, and 5, and i had just grabbed clips that were small file sizes... I'll kick up a few more up overnight and post them up in the morning.

The 00005 clip is either the highest or the 2nd highest, and the 00008 clip is the 2nd lowest I believe.
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Thanks for the footage.

Is this the highest quality setting ? A bitrate analysis applied to the raw files displays a H264 bitrate between 6 and 9 MBPS (peak). The same test with simular footage from a Panasonic HDC-SD1 shows a peak rate of 13 MBPS.
I've download 00011.MTS.zip and info about stream below:
file type : TS
video stream type : AVC/H.264
resolution : 1440x1080
profile:level : High:4.0
aspect ratio :30x17(Extended_SAR(4:3))
interlaced : yes
frames count : 450
frame size max : 356 352
avg : 67 894
avg/max (I) : 198 080 / 356 352
avg/max (P) : 126 012 / 224 256
avg/max (B) : 31 628 / 78 144
min : 7 104
file size : 30 554 112
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framerate declared : 29.97
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real : 29.97

bitrate declared : 16 000 000
--------------------------------------------
real max : 17 932 662
real avg : 16 279 272
real min : 14 638 350
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more raw files

this one should be on the lowest setting:
http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/00009.MTS.zip


and these 2 are on the highest setting:
http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/00011.MTS.zip

http://file.meyersproduction.com/hg10/00019.MTS.zip
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How does the built-in mic compare to the HV20? Does it record camcorder noise similar to the tape mechanism (and buttons) of the HV20?

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