Did you get drop outs with your HV20 footage? at DVinfo.net

Glenn Gipson · August 11th, 2007, 06:52 AM

I sometimes got drop outs (a one second black frame) with my HV20, and I was wondering if anyone else had the same problem. These drop outs would occur, roughly speaking, about every 30 or 40 minutes.

Mike Dulay · August 11th, 2007, 07:37 AM

Might be your tape. I had been using TDK DVC60 from Costco on both my HV20 and ZR200 but it started to drop out toward the beginning and the end of the tape every other tape. Could have been a bad batch. I switched to Panasonic on the HV20 (tried PQ and AMQ) and haven't had a dropout since. The ZR200 still uses the TDK.

Joseph H. Moore · August 11th, 2007, 07:38 AM

Not yet, fingers crossed. ;-)

Reese Leysen · August 11th, 2007, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Gipson

I sometimes got drop outs (a one second black frame) with my HV20, and I was wondering if anyone else had the same problem. These drop outs would occur, roughly speaking, about every 30 or 40 minutes.

This appears to be a common problem, I don't know what causes it. A lot of people have serious dropout issue and a lot of people don't experience any dropout problems at all.

We've done a 3-day scene shoot with the HV20 (5 tapes) without a single dropout so thus far I'm a happy camper.

Tapes we used were new Sony Premiums.

Luc Fender · August 11th, 2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Reese Leysen

This appears to be a common problem, I don't know what causes it. A lot of people have serious dropout issue and a lot of people don't experience any dropout problems at all.

We've done a 3-day scene shoot with the HV20 (5 tapes) without a single dropout so thus far I'm a happy camper.

Tapes we used were new Sony Premiums.

I also bought cheap TDK DVC60 from costco but haven't noticed a drop out yet. However I haven't shot for a full hour but instead did a lot of testing and rerecorded over the first 15 minutes of tape.

I do wonder if 'HD' tapes are really significantly better (for casual shooting).

Colin Gould · August 11th, 2007, 09:13 AM

I've shot 25 hours/tapes (TDK DVM60) on my HV10 with nary a detected dropout. Never had many on my Optura either.
I "blackstripe" the tape first then rewind and record over it, then never re-record on the tape again, only playback.

Glenn Gipson · August 11th, 2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Dulay

Might be your tape. I had been using TDK DVC60 from Costco on both my HV20 and ZR200 but it started to drop out toward the beginning and the end of the tape every other tape. Could have been a bad batch. I switched to Panasonic on the HV20 (tried PQ and AMQ) and haven't had a dropout since. The ZR200 still uses the TDK.

I used Panasonic AY-DVM63PQ tapes.

Charles Gerungan · August 11th, 2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Gipson

I used Panasonic AY-DVM63PQ tapes.

Just shot 7 tapes of those. No dropouts.

Austin Meyers · August 11th, 2007, 06:36 PM

i shoot on panasonic PQ's as well, and every once in a blue moon i'll have a dropout, and it's usually with in the first minute of tape. keeping your heads clean helps too.

Willard Hill · August 11th, 2007, 07:58 PM

I have gotten those one frame black dropouts on a Canon XL-H1 with Panasonic AY-DVM63PQ tapes, but never had them with the same tape on a Sony HVR-A1U.

Glenn Gipson · August 15th, 2007, 06:17 AM

So maybe I should have the camera serviced, and then switch my tape brand?

C.S. Michael · August 16th, 2007, 02:03 PM

I get dropouts fairly often with my HV20.

I've been using the el cheapo TDK tapes. I used the same tapes with my Panny DVX and never had a single dropout.

Luc Fender · August 16th, 2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by C.S. Michael

I get dropouts fairly often with my HV20.

I've been using the el cheapo TDK tapes. I used the same tapes with my Panny DVX and never had a single dropout.

I have the el cheapo TDK tapes as well but not any dropout yet (keep my fingers crossed). I recorded so far about 1 hour.

Brian Carrell · August 17th, 2007, 06:38 AM

I shot about 40 minutes over 2 days (using the sony HD tapes), and played the footage back on the tv and had about 2 dropouts, then did an end-search and took the cam back out over the next 3 days and finished up the tape.

when I replayed the entire tape to import into the computer, the older footage where there had been 2 dropouts, there were now about 25 or so, and these lasted for 1 second to 3 seconds each. (during the original 40 minutes that had already been played back with only 2 dropouts) the dropouts were still there when played on a different cam, so it is in the tape. (but the newwer 20 minutes of shooting that had never been rewound and played prior to importing had no dropouts)

Didn't have this problem before on the XLH1 or XHA1 or FX1. Is it not recommended to rewind and play back tapes prior to importing with this cam or maybe it was the changes in temperature and humidity here (Toronto)?

Austin Meyers · August 18th, 2007, 12:33 AM

humidity will def goof it up. it seems to me that the hv20 is fairly sensitive about "bad spots" i was shooting some underwater stuff, and had to change some stuff in the field (100+ temps) and then plunk the camera back into 68 degree water, and everything fogged up and it made all the footage i shot from that point on worthless. i also got a few "dirty heads" warning in the lcd.

August 11th, 2007, 06:52 AM	#1
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Did you get drop outs with your HV20 footage? I sometimes got drop outs (a one second black frame) with my HV20, and I was wondering if anyone else had the same problem. These drop outs would occur, roughly speaking, about every 30 or 40 minutes.

August 11th, 2007, 07:37 AM	#2
Mike Dulay Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Somerville, NJ Posts: 304	Might be your tape. I had been using TDK DVC60 from Costco on both my HV20 and ZR200 but it started to drop out toward the beginning and the end of the tape every other tape. Could have been a bad batch. I switched to Panasonic on the HV20 (tried PQ and AMQ) and haven't had a dropout since. The ZR200 still uses the TDK. __________________ DIY, 35mm, HV20: http://www.primitivebuteffective.net

August 11th, 2007, 06:36 PM	#9
Austin Meyers Contributor Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: austin, tx Posts: 300	i shoot on panasonic PQ's as well, and every once in a blue moon i'll have a dropout, and it's usually with in the first minute of tape. keeping your heads clean helps too. __________________ Compositing is my life right now. IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3596782/

August 11th, 2007, 07:58 PM	#10
Willard Hill Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 191	I have gotten those one frame black dropouts on a Canon XL-H1 with Panasonic AY-DVM63PQ tapes, but never had them with the same tape on a Sony HVR-A1U. __________________ Willard http://pawildlifephotographer.blogspot.com/

August 16th, 2007, 02:03 PM	#12
C.S. Michael Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 197	I get dropouts fairly often with my HV20. I've been using the el cheapo TDK tapes. I used the same tapes with my Panny DVX and never had a single dropout. __________________ Bored? Check out my blog (shot with Sony EX1, Panasonic TM700, Nikon D7100, Sony NEX-5N, GoPro2): LongLongHoneymoon.com

August 11th, 2007, 07:38 AM	#3
Joseph H. Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 362	Not yet, fingers crossed. ;-)

August 11th, 2007, 09:13 AM	#6
Colin Gould Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Foster City, CA Posts: 123	I've shot 25 hours/tapes (TDK DVM60) on my HV10 with nary a detected dropout. Never had many on my Optura either. I "blackstripe" the tape first then rewind and record over it, then never re-record on the tape again, only playback.

August 15th, 2007, 06:17 AM	#11
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	So maybe I should have the camera serviced, and then switch my tape brand?

August 17th, 2007, 06:38 AM	#14
Brian Carrell Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Santa Cruz, CA, Seattle, WA, and abroad.... Posts: 65	I shot about 40 minutes over 2 days (using the sony HD tapes), and played the footage back on the tv and had about 2 dropouts, then did an end-search and took the cam back out over the next 3 days and finished up the tape. when I replayed the entire tape to import into the computer, the older footage where there had been 2 dropouts, there were now about 25 or so, and these lasted for 1 second to 3 seconds each. (during the original 40 minutes that had already been played back with only 2 dropouts) the dropouts were still there when played on a different cam, so it is in the tape. (but the newwer 20 minutes of shooting that had never been rewound and played prior to importing had no dropouts) Didn't have this problem before on the XLH1 or XHA1 or FX1. Is it not recommended to rewind and play back tapes prior to importing with this cam or maybe it was the changes in temperature and humidity here (Toronto)?

August 18th, 2007, 12:33 AM	#15
Austin Meyers Contributor Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: austin, tx Posts: 300	humidity will def goof it up. it seems to me that the hv20 is fairly sensitive about "bad spots" i was shooting some underwater stuff, and had to change some stuff in the field (100+ temps) and then plunk the camera back into 68 degree water, and everything fogged up and it made all the footage i shot from that point on worthless. i also got a few "dirty heads" warning in the lcd. __________________ Compositing is my life right now. IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3596782/