HV10 footage converted to 24p! at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon XA and VIXIA Series AVCHD Camcorders > Canon VIXIA Series AVCHD and HDV Camcorders

Canon VIXIA Series AVCHD and HDV Camcorders
For VIXIA / LEGRIA Series (HF G, HF S, HF and HV) consumer camcorders.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old September 4th, 2006, 05:37 AM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NY
Posts: 54
HV10 footage converted to 24p!

As an experiment, I quickly converted one of the HV10's m2t sample video files linked from Robert Batta's thread via TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress at 29.97.fps and deinterlace to a DIVX avi, and surprisingly came up with video that looked like shot Frame Mode... I have no clue what happened! Based on the result, I then did the same, but converting the video to 24p (I did it quickly with none of the many available settings optimized or tweaked for the 24p conversion mode) and again, came out with a very interesting result... With this fine tuned, maybe it is possible to actually get converted footage from the HV10 at 24fps to look more "film-like" than I ever thought possible...

Tomorrow I will play in-depth with many of the conversion and deinterlacing options available on TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress to see what fine-tuned results can look like, but for now, here's what I got:

http://216.127.51.88/_downloads/HV10-24fps.zip

Looking forward to your thoughts...
Peter Macletis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2006, 12:52 PM   #2
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 385
Doesn't look too bad. Noticed some odd stutter on some of the framing adjustments, but nothing terrible. I'm gonna download some of those clips and try some deinterlacing of my own.
Tony Tibbetts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2006, 01:03 PM   #3
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NY
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Tibbetts
Doesn't look too bad. Noticed some odd stutter on some of the framing adjustments, but nothing terrible. I'm gonna download some of those clips and try some deinterlacing of my own.
Awesome. Looking forward to hera about your results Tony!
Peter Macletis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2006, 06:08 PM   #4
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 385
Hi Peter,

Any chance you could do the same process on the HV10-06 clip? That's the clip I'm working on and the 24p is nice, but there is slight ghosting. I'm working on a mac, so I'd like to see how this clip looks with your process.
Tony Tibbetts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2006, 07:55 PM   #5
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NY
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Tibbetts
Hi Peter,

Any chance you could do the same process on the HV10-06 clip? That's the clip I'm working on and the 24p is nice, but there is slight ghosting. I'm working on a mac, so I'd like to see how this clip looks with your process.
Tony, download from here several of the clips properly converted. Stunning results.
Peter Macletis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2006, 08:52 PM   #6
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 385
Hi Peter,

The funny thing is, I took one of the .m2t files and ran it through TMPGENC 3.0 Xpress with the deinterlace setting at "24fps (Interlace prior)", exported it to DV and it looked really decent. Little to no ghosting and the stutter was minimal, and it was fast. I wonder what tmpgenc is doing?

I'm downloading your clips right now to take a look at them.
Tony Tibbetts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2006, 09:14 PM   #7
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 385
Okay, I'm no video conversion expert, but this is a bit perplexing. Usually when you do a 60i to 24p conversion you get ghosting and/or strange frame rate stutter and I'm not seeing much of either. While the footage doesn't scream 24p per se, there's no getting around it that it is that frame rate. It does look very filmic.

However all common sense tells me it's that it shouldn't be that easy. I'm baffled
Tony Tibbetts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2006, 09:44 PM   #8
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NY
Posts: 54
I have used TMPGENC 2.5 for years as my app of choice to convert files to MPEG-2 for DVD mastering. These guys, know their stuff. I've tried all types of other software and hardware conversion systems out there at extreme price-points and nothing ever comes close to TMPGENC 2.5. It takes a while to master the program and learn what it can do and all settings but once you've got that down it generates MPEG-2 video files of the most pristine highest quality,

They are using all their knowledge on their TMPGENC Xpress suite. I have no clue how they do it, and how. What I do know is that these guys are expert programmers and their code is fantastic. On the 24F conversion of the HV10's m2t footage, I know there is a log going on because it takes a L O N G time, and that is with all multithreading settings on and a fast processor, so, I know there is a lot of calculations going on.

Bottom line is that the footage looks stunning, albeit the very long time it takes to convert. Also, try playing it contour and noise correction filters (directly imported from TMPGENC 2.5). These are "THE" best sharpening and NR filters of the many I have tried and can make your video look cleaner and more prestine that ever (it also adds an extra long time for the conversion process).

All can say is that the folks at PegaSys know what they are doing... whatever is it that they do...
Peter Macletis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2006, 10:10 PM   #9
Major Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 385
What are you exporting it to from TMPGENC?
Tony Tibbetts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4th, 2006, 11:04 PM   #10
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NY
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Tibbetts
What are you exporting it to from TMPGENC?
WMV-HD. Its the format I get best results form.
Peter Macletis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 6th, 2006, 01:16 AM   #11
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 143
.

to create 60i to 24p make sure your camera shutter speed is 60.
i think this shot was on auto.
Jung Kyu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 6th, 2006, 09:34 AM   #12
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 143
.

kodak 500t filmlook
shot on hc1


http://www.dvuser.co.kr/zboard/data/...omp_333333.wmv
Jung Kyu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 6th, 2006, 01:45 PM   #13
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NY
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jung Kyu
Link is incorrect.
Peter Macletis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17th, 2006, 11:12 AM   #14
Major Player
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 206
Am I doing something wrong?

Every single link on this thread gives me an error page... Weird.

I would like to see these tests. Can anybody point me to a stable link?

Thanks.
Cody Lucido is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17th, 2006, 11:30 AM   #15
Major Player
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 612
Same here Cody.
__________________
"Babs Do or Babs Do not, there is no try." - Zack Birlew
www.BabsDoProductions.com
Zack Birlew is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon XA and VIXIA Series AVCHD Camcorders > Canon VIXIA Series AVCHD and HDV Camcorders

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:04 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network