HV20 now on Canon Japan web site

Lee Wilson · January 31st, 2007, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Hardy

Do the black magic cards come in an "external" version for use with laptops?

I asked the same question a while back and I was told there was an 'external' or 'breakout box' HDMI interface - not sure if it was from black magic or not ?

Wes Vasher · January 31st, 2007, 08:15 AM

The HDMI port is on the back of the camcorder which is nice. Also there is a focus assist button on the LCD bezel. Wonder how this works.

On the Internet there are reports that this camera is actually recording true 24p (in a 60i stream of course) video because it has a progressive imager. Similar to 24f but actually 24p, that would be something if it turns out to be true. Also reports say the cinematic mode and 24p mode can be used together or each separately. Again, we'll see.

Kris Galuska · January 31st, 2007, 09:14 AM

it's 24p using 2:3 pull down.

Camcorderinfo has it on their front page.

This camera could be as big as when the digital Rebel was released into the DSLR market.

I was going to get the Sony HC7, but now I have to wait till March.

-Kris G

Wes Vasher · January 31st, 2007, 09:24 AM

Kris, it does seem it is true 24p as stated by Canon in their press release, I did see the CI report but was waiting for the Canon press release before I got my hopes up. I was looking at the HC7 or the HV10 and boy am I glad I waited.

Microphone input, HDMI, HV10 image quality with better low light, 24p, among other features. And a low, low, low price. Exciting.

Chris Hurd · January 31st, 2007, 09:32 AM

Here's a full copy of the Canon USA press release, Wes:

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/cano...essrelease.php

Thomas Smet · January 31st, 2007, 09:38 AM

Even if the 24P is recorded into 60i I'm sure if I mind very much. With HDMI we should be able to in theory get a full raster 1920x1080 image at 4:2:2 color and 24p sitting in 60i. We would then just need to remove the pulldown via either software or a product such as Cineform. This is the only HDV camera on the market that can offer this level of quality in a studio environment.

Does anybody know if this camera or the HV10 had a sharpness setting to reduce the electronic sharpening? If it does this could very well be the ultimate keying camera.

Wes Vasher · January 31st, 2007, 09:42 AM

Thanks for posting that Chris. I like the fact that the 24p recording mode and cine mode seem to be seperate features.

Thomas, I agree about the in-camera sharpening. My Canon point and shoot digital camera has a low-sharpening filter, not sure what it's actually doing but the images are absolutely stunning. Being able to turn down or off the sharpening on the HV20 would be pretty handy. There appears to be a low sharpening filter on the HV10 but I don't know what it actually does. The HV10 manual simply says "Records subjects with softened outlines".

John Godden · January 31st, 2007, 10:02 AM

Wow................. :-)

This looks like the year consumer HD finally 'gets real'.

Big congrats to Canon
JohnG

Wes Vasher · January 31st, 2007, 10:10 AM

Canon's website comparison lists the HV20 having "Manual Focus Assist Functions: Magnifying, Peaking" and the HV10 not having this. Does this explain the focus assist button on the LCD bezel, would seam so. Lens and LCD seem to be exactly the same. HV10 is .97 lb, HV20 is 1.2 lbs. The HV10 comes with the BP-310 battery and the HV20 comes with the BP-2L13, both come with the same power supply.

Philip Williams · January 31st, 2007, 10:28 AM

I love this company. First the XH A1 to totally blow out the 3-4K pro level. Now this thing to button up the bottom end.

I knew Canon was up to something when they released the Optura 40 - no one could touch the manual audio controls, focus ring and 1/3" sensor in such an affordable package. Canon is consistently releasing cameras that appear to pack as much punch as they can squeeze in for the best price possible. Its really refreshing to see a manufacturer listen to customers and deliver outstanding product rather than putting product divisions first to protect higher priced models.

I am so getting one of these later this year.

Holly Rognan · January 31st, 2007, 10:45 AM

One of the great things is, we will be able to use a 1/24th shutter to get even more light.

For a consumer cam, this is nearly flawless.
From a professional standpoint, it will be able to keep up with the big boys. From specs alone, the resolution will be as good as the XLH1, and the lowlight almost as good.

This is revolutionary in every aspect, it looks like they are somewhat applying Apples busines model of performance/price/quality for every market segment. They will clean house with this, no other manufacturer can even come close to this right now.

I am sure that Panasonic has something up their sleeves (Hybrid DVC30-DVX100 with HD with 24p mpeg-4) but they were probably looking at a $2,500-$3,500 price point for a camcorder like that. This quickly forces the price down, or requires manufacturers to pack in all the features they can imagine to compete.

Does this mean that we will be seeing 1/2 to 2/3 Cmos chips in the sub $10,000 range within the next few years?

Owen Meek · January 31st, 2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Holly Rognan

Does this mean that we will be seeing 1/2 to 2/3 Cmos chips in the sub $10,000 range within the next few years?

that would be nice.. with variable frame rates :)

John C. Chu · January 31st, 2007, 11:08 AM

With this new cam...there really are no more excuses.

There are going to be a lot less inane discussion threads about needing film look, widescreen, microphone input, HD and which cam can do this at this price...etc etc.

Another hidden benefit of this cam! :-)

Colin Gould · January 31st, 2007, 11:13 AM

Agreed... they basically addressed every complaint so far re the HV10.
Form factor/button layout, mic in/hotshoe, low light, battery life, HDMI, 24p ... all apparently fixed.
And still great price. (Circuit City leaked page listed $1100.)

My only complaint now is that I want to buy it , but I already paid first-adopter price for the HV10! sigh :)

Wes Vasher · January 31st, 2007, 11:24 AM

These camcorders hold their value very well. I'm sure you could sell your HV10 and not be out that much money. That's what I would do.

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January 31st, 2007, 08:15 AM	#17
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	The HDMI port is on the back of the camcorder which is nice. Also there is a focus assist button on the LCD bezel. Wonder how this works. On the Internet there are reports that this camera is actually recording true 24p (in a 60i stream of course) video because it has a progressive imager. Similar to 24f but actually 24p, that would be something if it turns out to be true. Also reports say the cinematic mode and 24p mode can be used together or each separately. Again, we'll see.

January 31st, 2007, 09:14 AM	#18
Kris Galuska Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NY, NY Posts: 59	it's 24p using 2:3 pull down. Camcorderinfo has it on their front page. This camera could be as big as when the digital Rebel was released into the DSLR market. I was going to get the Sony HC7, but now I have to wait till March. -Kris G

January 31st, 2007, 09:24 AM	#19
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	Kris, it does seem it is true 24p as stated by Canon in their press release, I did see the CI report but was waiting for the Canon press release before I got my hopes up. I was looking at the HC7 or the HV10 and boy am I glad I waited. Microphone input, HDMI, HV10 image quality with better low light, 24p, among other features. And a low, low, low price. Exciting.

January 31st, 2007, 09:38 AM	#21
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	Even if the 24P is recorded into 60i I'm sure if I mind very much. With HDMI we should be able to in theory get a full raster 1920x1080 image at 4:2:2 color and 24p sitting in 60i. We would then just need to remove the pulldown via either software or a product such as Cineform. This is the only HDV camera on the market that can offer this level of quality in a studio environment. Does anybody know if this camera or the HV10 had a sharpness setting to reduce the electronic sharpening? If it does this could very well be the ultimate keying camera.

January 31st, 2007, 09:42 AM	#22
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	Thanks for posting that Chris. I like the fact that the 24p recording mode and cine mode seem to be seperate features. Thomas, I agree about the in-camera sharpening. My Canon point and shoot digital camera has a low-sharpening filter, not sure what it's actually doing but the images are absolutely stunning. Being able to turn down or off the sharpening on the HV20 would be pretty handy. There appears to be a low sharpening filter on the HV10 but I don't know what it actually does. The HV10 manual simply says "Records subjects with softened outlines".

January 31st, 2007, 10:02 AM	#23
John Godden Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 172	Wow................. :-) This looks like the year consumer HD finally 'gets real'. Big congrats to Canon JohnG

January 31st, 2007, 10:10 AM	#24
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	Canon's website comparison lists the HV20 having "Manual Focus Assist Functions: Magnifying, Peaking" and the HV10 not having this. Does this explain the focus assist button on the LCD bezel, would seam so. Lens and LCD seem to be exactly the same. HV10 is .97 lb, HV20 is 1.2 lbs. The HV10 comes with the BP-310 battery and the HV20 comes with the BP-2L13, both come with the same power supply.

January 31st, 2007, 10:45 AM	#26
Holly Rognan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Coalville America Posts: 244	One of the great things is, we will be able to use a 1/24th shutter to get even more light. For a consumer cam, this is nearly flawless. From a professional standpoint, it will be able to keep up with the big boys. From specs alone, the resolution will be as good as the XLH1, and the lowlight almost as good. This is revolutionary in every aspect, it looks like they are somewhat applying Apples busines model of performance/price/quality for every market segment. They will clean house with this, no other manufacturer can even come close to this right now. I am sure that Panasonic has something up their sleeves (Hybrid DVC30-DVX100 with HD with 24p mpeg-4) but they were probably looking at a $2,500-$3,500 price point for a camcorder like that. This quickly forces the price down, or requires manufacturers to pack in all the features they can imagine to compete. Does this mean that we will be seeing 1/2 to 2/3 Cmos chips in the sub $10,000 range within the next few years?

January 31st, 2007, 11:08 AM	#28
John C. Chu Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rego Park , NYC Posts: 665	With this new cam...there really are no more excuses. There are going to be a lot less inane discussion threads about needing film look, widescreen, microphone input, HD and which cam can do this at this price...etc etc. Another hidden benefit of this cam! :-)

January 31st, 2007, 11:13 AM	#29
Colin Gould Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Foster City, CA Posts: 123	Agreed... they basically addressed every complaint so far re the HV10. Form factor/button layout, mic in/hotshoe, low light, battery life, HDMI, 24p ... all apparently fixed. And still great price. (Circuit City leaked page listed $1100.) My only complaint now is that I want to buy it , but I already paid first-adopter price for the HV10! sigh :)

January 31st, 2007, 11:24 AM	#30
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	These camcorders hold their value very well. I'm sure you could sell your HV10 and not be out that much money. That's what I would do.