first hv20 review ( in japanese)
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Kurth,
Thanks for posting the link. I used Google to translate the page and it is an "interesting" read. Some of the translation is awkward at best. I especially liked this line as translated by Google: "Last year for the consumer CANON “HV10” which carries out entry with HDV shook the heart of many consumers in the picture quality." Ross Hunter Orange, VA |
That was one of the funniest articles I have read in a while. I couldn't find anything in the article that explicitly said if it was really improved in low light. Can anyone shed some light on this area? (I dont really like puns, but this was begging to be said.)
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Don't laugh too hard at the translation -- imagine how they feel when reading some English web pages translated to Japanese. It's probably just as amusing (and somewhat confounding) for them as it is for us.
The statement "thorough(ly) improves the weak point of HV10" is self-explanatory, in my opinion. |
Right, it's the translation engine that is so funny. Here's my favorite line...
“the monster”!? ~ |
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Also, does this have a 1/48th shutter and a 1/24th shutter speed? And wouldn't a 1/30th shutter provide true 30p (because the sensor is progressive)? |
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http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=85905 The second question is no, although I wish it had a 30p mode. |
Holly's question about 30p got me wondering. What does happen when the shutter speed drops below the frame rate. At 1/30 is the shutter open while two fields are recorded? How about at 1/6, how does a shutter speed that is 5 times as long as the frame rate work?
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Holly, Lloyd, maybe it's really the same question... what is the relation between shutter speed and fields-or-frames/sec. Of course, the rate at which the CMOS is read and reset can be seen as beeing separate from rate at which the shutter opens and closes.
But I'm guessing this: shutter times can not be larger than sample time (ie seconds per frame or field). Otherwise, you would have some freaky effects of interference, with some frames brighter than others, because of the shutter beeing off-phase totally. But then again.. it's a guess :) ---------- Edit: oh sorry that's silly of me, that's against specs: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=85905 Lloyd, the shutter must really stay open then... and produce motion blurs that are clipped by the frame cycle. I'm at least glad they kept the fractions clean. To Holly: the frame rate that is recorded is determined by the read/clear cycle of the CMOS sensor, not the shutter. |
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One thing I still can't figure out is if the CMOS sensor looses a stop of light and gains 6db noise during progressive recordings like the CCD cousins, because if so the lux rating that is being touted will just be a gimmick in marketing and only truley useful in 60i, although a 1/24 shutter for 24p would make up some of this disrepancy. |
I'm not sure about a shutter of 30. Most cameras that use interlaced chips do usually loose a field of data but the same isn't always true for a progressive chip. For example the JVC HD100 cameras can use a shutter of 24 or 30 and they still sample the full 1280x720 pixels. So what you end up with is just a progressive frame but with a lot of motion blur that no longer looks natural. Since the HV20 does use a progressive chip it makes sense that a lower shutter speed might still use the full pixel raster. With a 1/30 shutter however you will always have that extra motion blur look which can look a little funky to some people. I guess you would have to try it and see if you are ok with the motion blur.
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