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Wes Vasher April 13th, 2007 01:17 PM

Five HV20 clips, a running creek, a zoom
 
5 shots zipped, 137 MB total
All shot using 24p with Cinema Mode at 1/48 shutter

http://www.filefactory.com/file/893ee0/

Click here for a preview
A creek, zoom across field, and more animals.

Mike Horrigan April 13th, 2007 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes Vasher (Post 659649)
5 shots zipped, 137 MB total
All shot using 24p with Cinema Mode at 1/48 shutter

Does it automatically set to 1/48?
How do you switch between 1/48 and 1/60 in Cinema mode @ 24p?

Wes Vasher April 13th, 2007 01:58 PM

It's automatic as far as I can tell. The only way I can figure out to see what it is recorded at is to play it back. I don't think I've shot cine footage yet that didn't turn out to be 1/48.

Mike Horrigan April 13th, 2007 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes Vasher (Post 659682)
It's automatic as far as I can tell. The only way I can figure out to see what it is recorded at is to play it back. I don't think I've shot cine footage yet that didn't turn out to be 1/48.

The manual seems to imply both 1/48 and 1/60
I was just wondering how to switch between them.

Thanks,

Mike

Wes Vasher April 13th, 2007 02:21 PM

AFAIK you can not adjust shutter in Cine mode, only exposure/aperture so the camera must switch to 1/60 when if it feels like it.

Mike Horrigan April 13th, 2007 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes Vasher (Post 659696)
AFAIK you can not adjust shutter in Cine mode, only exposure/aperture so the camera must switch to 1/60 when if it feels like it.

Thanks, I know how to adjust the exposure in Cinemode, how do you adjust the aperture in Cinemode? Or is that basically the same thing?

Love all the pictures on your site BTW.

Mike

Wes Vasher April 13th, 2007 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Horrigan (Post 659699)
Thanks, I know how to adjust the exposure in Cinemode, how do you adjust the aperture in Cinemode? Or is that basically the same thing?

Love all the pictures on your site BTW.

Mike

Thanks Mike! The exposure usually gives you some aperture control. I like to look down the lens barrel and see what's happening, you can see the aperture blades open and close as well as the ND filters flipping down.

David Grieser April 14th, 2007 08:19 AM

I'm trying to download those clips since yesterday, but the download doesn't seem to work.
I could download all your other clips from filefactory.com...

After the image verification I always get "page cannot be displayed" in Firefox and Internet Explorer.

Brad Vaughan April 14th, 2007 11:04 AM

Same here...

I can't get this off filefactory either. IE just goes blank after a few secs.

Could you please re-host it with them or try megaupload.com?

Steve Hagan April 14th, 2007 04:08 PM

yep Im having the same problem, the upload does not work

Ken Ross April 14th, 2007 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Grieser (Post 660072)
I'm trying to download those clips since yesterday, but the download doesn't seem to work.
I could download all your other clips from filefactory.com...

After the image verification I always get "page cannot be displayed" in Firefox and Internet Explorer.

I'm getting the same thing.

Elmer Lang April 14th, 2007 07:17 PM

I had trouble with the file factory thing, but found I might need a couple times to go throught the process to get it to work.

CLink on the link. Find "Download for free with FileFactory Basic"

In new page type in letters

Elmer Lang April 14th, 2007 07:21 PM

Sorry, my own problem.

Again:

I had trouble with the file factory thing, but found I might need a couple times to go throught the process to get it to work.

Click on the link.

Find "Download for free with FileFactory Basic". New page appears.

In new page type in letters of verification code, click continue. New page appears.

Click on "I had trouble with the file factory thing, but found I might need a couple times to go throught the process to get it to work.

Click on the link. Find "Click here to begin your download".

It should then ask where to save. You might have to do that process several times.

I think that's it, but it's tricky.

best,
elmer

Elmer Lang April 14th, 2007 07:24 PM

Again:

Click on the link.

Find and click on "Download for free with FileFactory Basic". New page appears.

In new page type in letters of verification code, click continue. New page appears.

Find "Click here to begin your download". Click on the link.

It should then ask where to save. You might have to do that process several times.

I think that's it, but it's tricky. (Duh!)

best,
elmer

Brad Vaughan April 14th, 2007 07:27 PM

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

Ken Ross April 14th, 2007 09:15 PM

Well I've got the compressed folder on my desktop, but the zipped file won't open. I get a prompt that says it's 'corrupt or invalid'.

Glenn Thomas April 15th, 2007 12:14 AM

Nice looking clips. I would be interested to see them in true 24p though.

Jason Brown April 15th, 2007 05:09 AM

can someone upload them to another file service. filefactory limits downloads.

Thanks

Wes Vasher April 15th, 2007 09:04 AM

Sorry everyone. I'm working on getting the clips up somewhere.

Glenn, they should all be true 24p, just with pull-down added. I'd remove the pull-down but that'd mean re-rendering and losing quality.

Fergus Anderson April 15th, 2007 03:40 PM

Managed to download these Wes

Fantastic stuff! The river clip particularly looked like film to me - both with the motion and the gamma curve. Although I think its slightly too soft I do concede that it adds to to filmic quality of the mage.

Cant wait to get mine!

Any more samples with (or without) cine mode at 1/48 and above would be most welcome!

Glenn Thomas April 15th, 2007 05:26 PM

Hi Wes, not a problem. That pull down must be difficult to work with at times?

Wes Vasher April 15th, 2007 07:52 PM

Hey Glenn, well I haven't really edited anything with it yet so it hasn't given me a headache. All I've done is some fx shots which is what I bought it for so I'm dealing with individual shots and it's not too bad. I just import the video into after effects and tell it to remove the pull-down and it does it for me auto-magically.

Wes Vasher April 15th, 2007 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fergus Anderson (Post 660737)
Managed to download these Wes

Fantastic stuff! The river clip particularly looked like film to me - both with the motion and the gamma curve. Although I think its slightly too soft I do concede that it adds to to filmic quality of the mage.

Cant wait to get mine!

Any more samples with (or without) cine mode at 1/48 and above would be most welcome!

Thanks Fergus! The softness is simply the electronic edge sharpening being turned down. I've done tests with the unsharp mask in After Effects and to my eye I can get better sharpening in AE than from the camera. Though I've actually come to like the softness of non-sharpened video from the HV20, looks more smooth and filmic to me.

I really liked the river clip too, I thought the color and gamma looked so nice. Cine mode rules!

Wes Vasher April 15th, 2007 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fergus Anderson (Post 660737)
Any more samples with (or without) cine mode at 1/48 and above would be most welcome!

Here are some frame grabs...

Aperture priority mode versus cine mode
Here the cine mode saves more detail in the dark areas but you lose control over the aperture, you can get a nicer DOF with the aperture priority mode.

A couple more frame grabs with cine mode...
Frame grab 1
Frame grab 2

Jason Brown April 16th, 2007 03:18 AM

could you upload them to snapdrive.net?

thanks again

Wes Vasher April 16th, 2007 07:04 AM

Jason, I uploaded a couple clips from the cine test above. There's not much to see other than some motion.

It looks like there is a little color fringing around the subject's hair in this zoom shot but I can't say for sure.

24 MB

http://www.snapdrive.net/files/40125...r_clips_07.zip

Jason Brown April 16th, 2007 12:17 PM

Hey thanks Wes. preciate it.

hey im a AM student also. small world... er.. internet.

Wes Vasher April 16th, 2007 12:40 PM

I like how Snapdrive has a simple link for files... none of that click click click, garbled code, click click click... download failed!

AM rules! I'm going to animate one of my own models into an HV20 plate pretty soon I hope. It's all coming together. :)

Jason Brown April 17th, 2007 04:17 AM

yep, snapdrive.net is great. wish more would use it instead.


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