Intensity HV20 Footage

David Newman · May 21st, 2007, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Owen Meek

some clarification please... the NeoHDV does not come with hardware capture card and costs $249 for the software? plus another $250 for BlackMagic Intensity Card (that comes with the free MJPEG), that totals $500 for a setup that is an excellent match for HV20 right?

That is correct.

Quote:

will a PCI Express card to PCMCIA converter work for laptops?

PCMCIA is too slow, so it will not work.

Owen Meek · May 21st, 2007, 11:29 AM

thanks Chief :)

Glenn Thomas · May 21st, 2007, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

If you are capture live from the Intensity, no deartifacting is neccessary as no MPEG compression has been applied.

Sorry, I should have mentioned if it was being used to capture normal HDV footage. Although I guess the HV20's footage isn't too bad to begin with, so the conversion to 4:2:2 may improve the image quality anyway.

Michael Rosenberger · May 21st, 2007, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

If you are capture live from the Intensity, no deartifacting is neccessary as no MPEG compression has been applied.

Begs to ask when the HDMI attachable hard drive will come out. ;)

John Godden · May 21st, 2007, 10:59 PM

Greetings

Does this direct-capture method help in terms of pan speed or scene/object motion?

Thanks
JohnG

Wayne Morellini · May 22nd, 2007, 06:35 AM

100%, uncompressed (but motion blur also depends on shutter). Compression leads to compromises, something like cineform has very low compromises, and usually not related to this area. It is the level next to the best (uncompressed)

hard drive HDMI, Tzero has been developing an wireless HDMI standard (wavelet compression up to 200mb/s 4:2:2 possible single codec, 4:4:4 400mb/s dual codec (or something like that)) based off their Wireless USB standard, an adaptor that could take HDMI and save to an USB drive, should be easy (are there any manufacturers listening?).

Mike Thomann · May 22nd, 2007, 01:54 PM

I was looking forward to the Philips wireless HDMI over the Tzero because the Philips is uncompressed, but the possibility of making use of the Tzero compression is an interesting prospect for convenience over a dedicated computer or laptop.

Bruce Allen · May 22nd, 2007, 04:24 PM

Mike

Thanks for posting the tests. I don't know if you were aware of this, but I offered beer or chocolates to the first person to post good HDMI vs HDV comparisons from the HV20.

So... any requests?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

Mike Thomann · May 22nd, 2007, 10:41 PM

Well beer sounds great but Derek deserves all the credit. I got a case of chilled Molson Canadian sitting right here. Cheers!

Wayne Morellini · May 24th, 2007, 01:51 AM

I should point out, the existing wireless HDMI solution is just an link, but their is the possibility there for somebody to make it more. I have heard of them demonstrating it with something like 70mb/s, from memory, and it was not so impressive, but the chip and the link is capable of an much higher data rate (so remember this if you see one being demoed).

Michael Rosenberger · May 24th, 2007, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

PCMCIA is too slow, so it will not work.

Express34 on a Mac?

Bruce Allen · May 24th, 2007, 10:51 PM

Derek

a) what beer / chocolate do you want?

b) I want to point the Red people to your still samples but don't want to overwhelm your server. Mind if I mirror them?

Cheers

Bruce

Derek Green · May 25th, 2007, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Thomann

Well beer sounds great but Derek deserves all the credit. I got a case of chilled Molson Canadian sitting right here. Cheers!

Thanks Mike, yeah... do you think you can fedex me one of those babies? ;)

Derek Green · May 25th, 2007, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Allen

Derek

a) what beer / chocolate do you want?

b) I want to point the Red people to your still samples but don't want to overwhelm your server. Mind if I mirror them?

Cheers

Bruce

Beer, yes! Seriously though, it was my pleasure posting those. I'd been dying to test that card for so long.

Yeah, go for it. It's all good. :)

Frank Howard · May 30th, 2007, 01:12 PM

Impressive. I am now sorely tempted to get an Intensity (although my camera is not a HV20 but a Sony HVR-A1U).

A couple of questions though:
1) I have Premiere, so should I stick with Aspect HD or do I need to move over to NeoHD?
2) I am not familiar with PCI express, does that mean they won't work in the normal slots? I am not looking for realtime, just quality.

May 21st, 2007, 10:59 PM	#50
John Godden Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 172	Greetings Does this direct-capture method help in terms of pan speed or scene/object motion? Thanks JohnG __________________ Nikon DSLR's finally a small 60P camcorder (Sanyo VPC-FH1)

May 21st, 2007, 11:29 AM	#47
Owen Meek Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 69	thanks Chief :)

May 22nd, 2007, 06:35 AM	#51
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	100%, uncompressed (but motion blur also depends on shutter). Compression leads to compromises, something like cineform has very low compromises, and usually not related to this area. It is the level next to the best (uncompressed) hard drive HDMI, Tzero has been developing an wireless HDMI standard (wavelet compression up to 200mb/s 4:2:2 possible single codec, 4:4:4 400mb/s dual codec (or something like that)) based off their Wireless USB standard, an adaptor that could take HDMI and save to an USB drive, should be easy (are there any manufacturers listening?).

May 22nd, 2007, 01:54 PM	#52
Mike Thomann Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 100	I was looking forward to the Philips wireless HDMI over the Tzero because the Philips is uncompressed, but the possibility of making use of the Tzero compression is an interesting prospect for convenience over a dedicated computer or laptop.

May 22nd, 2007, 04:24 PM	#53
Bruce Allen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 43	Mike Thanks for posting the tests. I don't know if you were aware of this, but I offered beer or chocolates to the first person to post good HDMI vs HDV comparisons from the HV20. So... any requests? Bruce Allen www.boacinema.com

May 22nd, 2007, 10:41 PM	#54
Mike Thomann Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 100	Well beer sounds great but Derek deserves all the credit. I got a case of chilled Molson Canadian sitting right here. Cheers!

May 24th, 2007, 01:51 AM	#55
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	I should point out, the existing wireless HDMI solution is just an link, but their is the possibility there for somebody to make it more. I have heard of them demonstrating it with something like 70mb/s, from memory, and it was not so impressive, but the chip and the link is capable of an much higher data rate (so remember this if you see one being demoed).

May 24th, 2007, 10:51 PM	#57
Bruce Allen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 43	Derek a) what beer / chocolate do you want? b) I want to point the Red people to your still samples but don't want to overwhelm your server. Mind if I mirror them? Cheers Bruce

May 30th, 2007, 01:12 PM	#60
Frank Howard Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 157	Impressive. I am now sorely tempted to get an Intensity (although my camera is not a HV20 but a Sony HVR-A1U). A couple of questions though: 1) I have Premiere, so should I stick with Aspect HD or do I need to move over to NeoHD? 2) I am not familiar with PCI express, does that mean they won't work in the normal slots? I am not looking for realtime, just quality.