An automated Vegas 24p workflow..

Duane Steiner · July 7th, 2007, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duane Steiner

Steve, thanks for those links. Will read them over to see if anything can help. Tried to tape some more footage and it did not work either. I hope I can figure this out.

I finally got it to work!!!

Ian & Mike, I am trying your method and was wondering what compression you are choosing in HV20pulldown. Also what type of project are you starting with in Vegas (60i or 24p HDV)? Thanks.

Steve Boutin · July 8th, 2007, 03:04 PM

Ian G. Thompson, I've been trying to duplicate your process:

1. "Template" i choose HDV 1080-60i
2. "Custom" section and make sure it says "Upper Field First" in Field Order
3. Set the video quality to High
4. Leave "Film Rate" at 29.970
5. Leave "Constant bit rate (bps) checked and raise that to 60,000,000
6. The "Output Type" should say HDV,

but no matter what I do, all thet happens is:

Vegas starts the render, but I have waited up to 17 minutes, and still at 0% render. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? The clip is only 44 secs. long. I don't know if this matters, but what is your project template for Vegas timeline before you render.

Thanks
Steve B

Steve Boutin · July 8th, 2007, 04:40 PM

After about 3 trys with the template, I just started over step by step, and pressed OK without renaming the new template, and it worked perfectly. Just one of those puter thangs i guess.

steve B

Mike Dulay · July 8th, 2007, 09:02 PM

Duane, if your final output is 24p then setup your project as 24p. It doesn't mean you're locked in to that though. When you render you can still change your output size and framerate, but the project settings affect what you see in preview.

Eugenia Loli-Queru · July 13th, 2007, 05:20 PM

I spent 3 hours writing a complete tutorial on my blog on how to make the guidelines in this thread to work with minimal headaches. All needed information, hopefully in one place: http://eugenia.blogsome.com/2007/07/...-24f-pulldown/

Ian G. Thompson · July 13th, 2007, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru

I spent 3 hours writing a complete tutorial on my blog on how to make the guidelines in this thread to work with minimal headaches. All needed information, hopefully in one place: http://eugenia.blogsome.com/2007/07/...-24f-pulldown/

Wow...i must say excellent job on compiling all that data in one document.

Steve Boutin · July 18th, 2007, 01:24 AM

Eugenia, Your blog states that "There are two commercial utilities that will perform the pulldown for you during tape capture, but the first, TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress, costs $99 and the other one, NeoHDV..." are you saying that TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress works the same as Cineform? For $99. Why has this not been mentioned in this entire thread or did I miss that?

Thanks.Steve Boutin

Kevin P Brown · August 7th, 2007, 04:03 PM

Hi, I was having some trouble getting the pulldown script to work but now everything is working fine. Meanwhile, I was editing using HV20 footage without pulldown. If I render my edited footage in vegas using 60i, then perform pulldown using Steve's script, will it perform the pulldown removal correctly? I don't want to have to re-edit everything using new clips.

Thanks

Mike Dulay · August 7th, 2007, 08:44 PM

At least with the test using Vegas output in 60i m2t (see Ian's method) with no velocity changes, it works to do the pulldown removal in post.

Kevin P Brown · August 8th, 2007, 10:15 AM

It worked! this saves me a lot of time...The only problem I have now is that the audio is not properly synched. Any more advice?

Thanks,
Kevin

Mike Dulay · August 8th, 2007, 04:53 PM

You should check the avs file generated by HV20Pulldown.exe if the delayaudio() line is properly populated with the same value as in the mpa file. You will have to re-run the pulldown removal but uncheck the option to remove the temporary file. While it's running go to the temporary directory and look at the files.

E.g. file...delay -234 ...mpa

Look inside file....avs; last line should say delayaudio(-234).

If this is not true, you may have the wrong template.avs loaded (go to Steve's website for the file). Hope that helps.

Anmol Mishra · November 16th, 2007, 09:11 PM

Hi! I wonder if anyone has managed to adapt this automated workflow with the Blackmagic MJPEG codec ? So instead of HDV -> 24P Inverse Telecine -> MJPEG

the new workflow would be

MJPEG -> 24P Inverse Telecine -> MJPEG

Mike Dulay · November 17th, 2007, 05:29 AM

Anmol, you could modify the script to use the avisynth AVI routines if your mjpeg file is avi. Why don't you give it a try?

Anmol Mishra · November 17th, 2007, 06:38 PM

I am using Eugenia's instructions. I have the correct version of TIVTC - but the keeper03_24p that I get is 481 MB (using YUY2 and lagarith). From Eugenia's description it should be 295MB.

Any suggestions about what I am doing wrong ?
Thanks!

Mike Dulay · November 18th, 2007, 02:00 PM

The call to virtualdubmod is probably running RGB (default--I think Sony Vegas likes this more, which is what a number of us used while this method was developed) vs YUV2 if your sizes are off. I haven't tried Eugenia's version of the method, but I'd look at the generated avs file. You should run Steve's exe but keep the generated avs file. Then open that avs manually using virtualdubmod and play around with the compression options and mode.

Here's the old method before Steve automated it, maybe it will give you clues on running it manually:
http://yousillyman.blogspot.com/2007...-hv20-m2t.html

Oh, Eugenia and Steve are active at the other forum where Farnsworth's original method was posted.

July 8th, 2007, 03:04 PM	#122
Steve Boutin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sarasota,Florida Posts: 36	Ians Way Ian G. Thompson, I've been trying to duplicate your process: 1. "Template" i choose HDV 1080-60i 2. "Custom" section and make sure it says "Upper Field First" in Field Order 3. Set the video quality to High 4. Leave "Film Rate" at 29.970 5. Leave "Constant bit rate (bps) checked and raise that to 60,000,000 6. The "Output Type" should say HDV, but no matter what I do, all thet happens is: Vegas starts the render, but I have waited up to 17 minutes, and still at 0% render. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? The clip is only 44 secs. long. I don't know if this matters, but what is your project template for Vegas timeline before you render. Thanks Steve B

July 8th, 2007, 04:40 PM	#123
Steve Boutin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sarasota,Florida Posts: 36	never mind After about 3 trys with the template, I just started over step by step, and pressed OK without renaming the new template, and it worked perfectly. Just one of those puter thangs i guess. steve B

July 8th, 2007, 09:02 PM	#124
Mike Dulay Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Somerville, NJ Posts: 304	Duane, if your final output is 24p then setup your project as 24p. It doesn't mean you're locked in to that though. When you render you can still change your output size and framerate, but the project settings affect what you see in preview. __________________ DIY, 35mm, HV20: http://www.primitivebuteffective.net

July 18th, 2007, 01:24 AM	#127
Steve Boutin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sarasota,Florida Posts: 36	I'm confused..what else is new... Eugenia, Your blog states that "There are two commercial utilities that will perform the pulldown for you during tape capture, but the first, TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress, costs $99 and the other one, NeoHDV..." are you saying that TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress works the same as Cineform? For $99. Why has this not been mentioned in this entire thread or did I miss that? Thanks.Steve Boutin

August 7th, 2007, 04:03 PM	#128
Kevin P Brown Tourist Join Date: May 2006 Location: Worcester, MA Posts: 3	Clip by clip Hi, I was having some trouble getting the pulldown script to work but now everything is working fine. Meanwhile, I was editing using HV20 footage without pulldown. If I render my edited footage in vegas using 60i, then perform pulldown using Steve's script, will it perform the pulldown removal correctly? I don't want to have to re-edit everything using new clips. Thanks

July 13th, 2007, 05:20 PM	#125
Eugenia Loli-Queru Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA, USA Posts: 348	I spent 3 hours writing a complete tutorial on my blog on how to make the guidelines in this thread to work with minimal headaches. All needed information, hopefully in one place: http://eugenia.blogsome.com/2007/07/...-24f-pulldown/

August 7th, 2007, 08:44 PM	#129
Mike Dulay Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Somerville, NJ Posts: 304	At least with the test using Vegas output in 60i m2t (see Ian's method) with no velocity changes, it works to do the pulldown removal in post. __________________ DIY, 35mm, HV20: http://www.primitivebuteffective.net

August 8th, 2007, 10:15 AM	#130
Kevin P Brown Tourist Join Date: May 2006 Location: Worcester, MA Posts: 3	Thanks It worked! this saves me a lot of time...The only problem I have now is that the audio is not properly synched. Any more advice? Thanks, Kevin

August 8th, 2007, 04:53 PM	#131
Mike Dulay Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Somerville, NJ Posts: 304	out of sync audio? You should check the avs file generated by HV20Pulldown.exe if the delayaudio() line is properly populated with the same value as in the mpa file. You will have to re-run the pulldown removal but uncheck the option to remove the temporary file. While it's running go to the temporary directory and look at the files. E.g. file...delay -234 ...mpa Look inside file....avs; last line should say delayaudio(-234). If this is not true, you may have the wrong template.avs loaded (go to Steve's website for the file). Hope that helps. __________________ DIY, 35mm, HV20: http://www.primitivebuteffective.net

November 16th, 2007, 09:11 PM	#132
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Automate 24P workflow for Blackmagic MJPEG codec Hi! I wonder if anyone has managed to adapt this automated workflow with the Blackmagic MJPEG codec ? So instead of HDV -> 24P Inverse Telecine -> MJPEG the new workflow would be MJPEG -> 24P Inverse Telecine -> MJPEG

November 17th, 2007, 05:29 AM	#133
Mike Dulay Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Somerville, NJ Posts: 304	Process is supposed to be generic Anmol, you could modify the script to use the avisynth AVI routines if your mjpeg file is avi. Why don't you give it a try? __________________ DIY, 35mm, HV20: http://www.primitivebuteffective.net

November 17th, 2007, 06:38 PM	#134
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Just started mods I am using Eugenia's instructions. I have the correct version of TIVTC - but the keeper03_24p that I get is 481 MB (using YUY2 and lagarith). From Eugenia's description it should be 295MB. Any suggestions about what I am doing wrong ? Thanks!

November 18th, 2007, 02:00 PM	#135
Mike Dulay Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Somerville, NJ Posts: 304	The call to virtualdubmod is probably running RGB (default--I think Sony Vegas likes this more, which is what a number of us used while this method was developed) vs YUV2 if your sizes are off. I haven't tried Eugenia's version of the method, but I'd look at the generated avs file. You should run Steve's exe but keep the generated avs file. Then open that avs manually using virtualdubmod and play around with the compression options and mode. Here's the old method before Steve automated it, maybe it will give you clues on running it manually: http://yousillyman.blogspot.com/2007...-hv20-m2t.html Oh, Eugenia and Steve are active at the other forum where Farnsworth's original method was posted. __________________ DIY, 35mm, HV20: http://www.primitivebuteffective.net Last edited by Mike Dulay; November 18th, 2007 at 02:50 PM.