Canon XA10 and HFG10 pics and impressions - CES 2011

Monday Isa · March 21st, 2011, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wolla

It would be interesting to actually see some testing between the 7D, 60D, etc against the HF-G10/ XA10 and see what the results really are. Seems pretty incredible if it can really come so close to the 7D, with its much larger chip.

I have the HF M40 which is the same chip as the G10/XA10/XF100 and while the lowlight is very good and matches well to a 2.8 lens on a DSLR once you go faster than 2.8 i.e 1.4-2.0 the lowlight jump is huge. I must say the HF M40 is a really nice camcorder and nice sensor. Hate that it's all touch screen though. In terms of gain I can easily use 18db and the noise looks like iso 1600 on the T2i, with light just fine for events.

Andy Wilkinson · March 22nd, 2011, 05:25 AM

Not sure if this has been posted yet but here is an XA10 Camerastore review/sample footage type video put up on YouTube yesterday.

YouTube - Canon XA10 Field Test with Sample Footage

Andy Wilkinson · March 23rd, 2011, 02:28 AM

More info has now emerged about this video (see the YouTube video info page). Apart from the XA10 shots (labelled on screen), the bits to camera were shot with a Canon 5DMkII and new Sony CX700 as well.

Almost all of the XA10 shots are horribly overexposed - no detail in the snow etc. Certainly, the non-XA10 shots look much better to my eyes.

Philip Lipetz · March 23rd, 2011, 10:50 AM

Also they are talking about the good low light performance of the XF100/XA10 sensor but in the XF100 review they complained about the the low light performance. Hmm...

Yes, the shots are horribly exposed. It looks like they used the autoexposure function which overexposes (we have an XF100) unless the presets are changed.

Michael Wisniewski · March 23rd, 2011, 06:46 PM

Even if the low light performance is equal, I think it's natural to use a different set of standards when judging the XA10 and the XF100. Personally I'm willing to be more forgiving of the G10/XA10 because anything with decent to good low light in the US$1000-2000 price range has been a long time coming. But at US$3000+, my totally subjective and personal feelings are that I expect better low light performance from the XF100. Then again, I'm NOT the market, so c'est la vie.

Still, Canon did a great job designing these cameras, the initial low light reviews for both videocameras have been very encouraging and I think overall, we are getting a lot more bang for our buck. I'm totally amped to pick one up when they are generally more available.

Buba Kastorski · March 28th, 2011, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikko Topponen

With what lens? The 7d is horrible in low light with the f3.5 kit lens but pretty damn good with an f1.4 lens.

So, is it 7D horrible in low light, or f3.5 kit lens? :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikko Topponen

Is the XA10 as good as the 7d with a f1.4 lens? Or as bad with the f3.5?

XA10 is f1.8 @ wide and f2.8 fully zoomed, and, it is only 1/3" vs APSc size on 7D, so to be fair you need to compare it to something more or less around XA10 specs.

Anmol Mishra · March 5th, 2012, 11:11 PM

Could someone please post the pdf of the HFG10 instruction manual ? I dont have mine. Cheers!

Buba Kastorski · March 6th, 2012, 07:11 AM

Canon U.S.A. : Consumer & Home Office : VIXIA HF G10

Don Palomaki · March 6th, 2012, 07:12 AM

FWIW: The file is copyright by canon, about 10 MB..
You should be able to download it from Canon.
In the USA you can find it at CanonDV.com under the canon model.

Anmol Mishra · March 6th, 2012, 07:23 PM

Thanks! I got this on mediafire or somewhere else too.

March 22nd, 2011, 05:25 AM	#32
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	Canon XA10 Footage/Video Review Not sure if this has been posted yet but here is an XA10 Camerastore review/sample footage type video put up on YouTube yesterday. YouTube - Canon XA10 Field Test with Sample Footage __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

March 23rd, 2011, 02:28 AM	#33
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	Canon XA10 Footage/Review Video More info has now emerged about this video (see the YouTube video info page). Apart from the XA10 shots (labelled on screen), the bits to camera were shot with a Canon 5DMkII and new Sony CX700 as well. Almost all of the XA10 shots are horribly overexposed - no detail in the snow etc. Certainly, the non-XA10 shots look much better to my eyes. __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

March 23rd, 2011, 10:50 AM	#34
Philip Lipetz Major Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 273	Re: Canon XA10 and HFG10 pics and impressions - CES 2011 Also they are talking about the good low light performance of the XF100/XA10 sensor but in the XF100 review they complained about the the low light performance. Hmm... Yes, the shots are horribly exposed. It looks like they used the autoexposure function which overexposes (we have an XF100) unless the presets are changed. Last edited by Philip Lipetz; March 23rd, 2011 at 04:15 PM.

March 23rd, 2011, 06:46 PM	#35
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Re: Canon XA10 and HFG10 pics and impressions - CES 2011 Even if the low light performance is equal, I think it's natural to use a different set of standards when judging the XA10 and the XF100. Personally I'm willing to be more forgiving of the G10/XA10 because anything with decent to good low light in the US$1000-2000 price range has been a long time coming. But at US$3000+, my totally subjective and personal feelings are that I expect better low light performance from the XF100. Then again, I'm NOT the market, so c'est la vie. Still, Canon did a great job designing these cameras, the initial low light reviews for both videocameras have been very encouraging and I think overall, we are getting a lot more bang for our buck. I'm totally amped to pick one up when they are generally more available. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

March 5th, 2012, 11:11 PM	#37
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Re: Canon XA10 and HFG10 pics and impressions - CES 2011 Could someone please post the pdf of the HFG10 instruction manual ? I dont have mine. Cheers! __________________ mishra.tv Productions A Sydney-based group for dance movement-based video and film productions.

March 6th, 2012, 07:11 AM	#38
Buba Kastorski Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,414	Re: Canon XA10 and HFG10 pics and impressions - CES 2011 Canon U.S.A. : Consumer & Home Office : VIXIA HF G10 __________________ I love this place!

March 6th, 2012, 07:12 AM	#39
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,487	Re: Canon XA10 and HFG10 pics and impressions - CES 2011 FWIW: The file is copyright by canon, about 10 MB.. You should be able to download it from Canon. In the USA you can find it at CanonDV.com under the canon model. __________________ dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com

March 6th, 2012, 07:23 PM	#40
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Re: Canon XA10 and HFG10 pics and impressions - CES 2011 Thanks! I got this on mediafire or somewhere else too. __________________ mishra.tv Productions A Sydney-based group for dance movement-based video and film productions.