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Old October 31st, 2013, 08:19 AM   #16
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Re: First wedding with XA20

Thanks Jeff and Robert. Robert I'm sure the XA will perform well for you. I was amazed at how well it did at the reception for this wedding. The venue was very dark and drab but the XA handled the light on the brides dress and dark venue very well I thought.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 12:06 AM   #17
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Nice work Tim. Soft focus on the bride gives it that nostalgic Hollywood leading lady look. ;-)
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 10:54 AM   #18
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Thanks Craig. haha yep, we fine tuned that focus to get that look :)
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 10:57 AM   #19
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Here's a frame grab from the timeline comparing the XA and the 90. The XA is on the left and is hand held with an LED lamp mounted on it. The AC90 is on a tripod with an LED mounted on a stand a few feet away. Edit: just remembered I set shutter speed to 30 on the XA when I went in the room where the cake was and never turned it back to 60. Just checked the media in camera to make sure, it was 1/30th. So not really a fair comparison since the AC90 shutter was 1/60. I'll leave the pics up anyway.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 11:17 AM   #20
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Wow
The XA image looks decisively better in this example.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 11:37 AM   #21
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Yes it does but take into account it is several feet closer to the subjects than the 90. Also, looks like I might have chosen a frame grab that was either out of focus or not on frame well for the 90. When I went back and looked at it on the timeline it doesn't look so out of focus like it does in this pic.

I had the XA's gain limit set to 18db and I don't think it ever went above 13db or so. The AC90 does not have a gain limiter so I'm not sure where the gain was on it.

Here's a couple more.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 04:14 PM   #22
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The XA image looks decisively better in this example.
I've been thinking and wondering about why the XA looked brighter than the AC and just remembered I set shutter speed to 30 on the XA when I went in the room where the cake was and never turned it back to 60. Just checked the media in camera to make sure, it was 1/30th. So not really a fair comparison since the AC90 shutter was 1/60.
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 06:52 AM   #23
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Re: First wedding with XA20

Manual or auto (program) exposure?
In any case the brightness difference should be readily correctable.

On my PC the XA image looks warmer, a bit richer, and the people healthier
At 1/30 the dancing movement could introduce some motion blur.
With the AC on a tripod, something should be in sharp focus unless we are seeing noise reduction image softening artifacts.
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 07:03 AM   #24
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Both camera's are in manual mode with auto exposure.

In most scenes the XA does look more pleasing right out of the cam but the AC can be made to look like the XA with color correction in post.

I didn't notice any motion blur at all, very surprising.

The AC footage doesn't look out of focus in the video or on the timeline, it's just the frame grab that looks that way for some reason.
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Old December 1st, 2013, 07:49 PM   #25
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I like it Tim! Very nice trailer, great work.
Yes, great work Tim, wouldn't mind an XA20 myself.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 11:18 AM   #26
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Good points Don. I was able to correct most of it in post. The worst being overexposure. I don't think any non professional will notice.

Here's a trailer for it, ya'll can tell me if it looks bad.

Tiffany+Matthew - Trailer on Vimeo

Edit: Well I just watched the trailer to make sure the linked worked and realized there's not many ceremony shots in there. The only overexposed shot is the B&W shot at the end of him saying vows. Her vows is the AC90 which is focused on the trees behind them :(
Hey Tim- I'm considering my cam options as I want to think about moving away from dSLR as a B-cam (use it for more like a C-cam) for a lot of shots, and it's too hard to match to my Canon XF100. I'm watching your trailer- how far away were you from the subject on the detail shots such as the hair preparation, in order to get the depth of field you desired? Was that done on the Canon, or the Panasonic?
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Old December 12th, 2013, 10:23 AM   #27
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Most of the prep shots were shot with a GH2, some with the XA. If the shot has blurred background then I'm sure it was GH2.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #28
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Yes, great work Tim, wouldn't mind an XA20 myself.
Thanks Anthony! I have shot another wedding with the XA know, this one was indoor and the XA performed well and out performed the AC in most same situation scenes.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 09:40 AM   #29
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I still like the XA20, but the more I work with it the less I like it.
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I agree that the wrong exposure with the XA20 can produce some very poor looking shots. It's a strange camera.
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It can be very tricky to adjust settings in certain situations and get anything decent out of the camera.
Reading through Jeff's post regarding the XA20 and comparing it to other posts in the same thread, you wouldn't think its the same camera that everyone is talking about :)

Just, that I'm thinking of buying the XA20 and Jeff's posts are not very encourageing.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 10:12 AM   #30
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What type of shooting are you planning to use the XA 20 for? And, do you need the XLR jacks or can you get by with the less expensive HF G30?
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