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Old February 4th, 2018, 10:31 AM   #1
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Substitute for RA-V1 advanced hotshoe to LANC ?

Guess I waited too many years before I actually needed an RA-V1, but I am now in need of
using the Canon HF-M41 camcorder on a tripod with remote control of zoom, start, and stop.

I have had a Canon ZR-1000 LANC Zoom Controller for many years that I used with the LANC input on my Sony VX2000 and Sony Hi8 cameras. The Canon HF-M41 does not have a LANC input. That zoom controller interfaces with the RA-V1 adapter that fits the Canon HF-M41 mini advanced hotshoe and provides a LANC input. The problem is that it cannot be found anywhere. It was discontinued and none seem to be available used either.

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/c...-adapter-ra-v1

Does anyone here know where I can buy a used one?

Does anyone here know of a substitute for using the camera on a tripod effectively for zoom, start, and stop?

Or does anyone here know of a DIY plan to create an interface for the mini-advanced hotshoe with pinouts I can use to make my own LANC socket?

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Old February 4th, 2018, 04:57 PM   #2
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Re: Substitute for RA-V1 advanced hotshoe to LANC ?

Finding one on the used market/auction sites will be hit or miss and require a bit of luck.

I see some vendors in AU may have one in stock - for a price.

Can you make do with the WL-D89 wireless remote control. It offers stop/stop and zoom control. The camcorder has sensors front and back, and the remote probably could be mounted to a tripod handle with some Velcro.
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Old February 4th, 2018, 07:07 PM   #3
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Re: Substitute for RA-V1 advanced hotshoe to LANC ?

I see what you mean Don about the prices. Wow!

I haven't tried using the wireless remote yet. I figured it would not be very responsive since I
have always used physical zoom controllers for my cameras. Worth a try if that is the only
practical option. I am pretty good with electronics device construction, but I would need a plan
or at least the pinouts for the hot shoe on the Canon.

I'll try the wireless remote. Thanks for the input.

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Old February 4th, 2018, 07:10 PM   #4
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The camcorder has sensors front and back....
There's just the one sensor for the WL-D89 wireless remote located on the bottom left of the opened LCD panel - same as on my HF-G30. But the panel can be flipped to allow control in front of the camcorder.
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Old February 4th, 2018, 07:13 PM   #5
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Good to know Bryan.

Thanks,

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Old February 4th, 2018, 09:00 PM   #6
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Yes, it's infrared (I think), but I'm sure Don's suggestion would work if the controller is mounted on the tripod handle in such a way that the sensor catches the beam - probably easiest if the handle is mounted on the left side.

I recall some years back seeing a DIY (PVC tube) cage/rig where the guy had used a length of optical cable to direct the controller beam onto an IR sensor located at the front of the camcorder.

Edit: I think it was this one:

http://www.primitivebuteffective.com...ontroller.html

Crude but effective, apparently. He referenced a DVInfo forum thread from back in 2003 as the inspiration:

DIY non LANC controller

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Old February 4th, 2018, 11:21 PM   #7
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Sounds like a doable modification. I think I will test out the remote when I shoot this Thursday to see how responsive it is, then I may try that mod if it seems really slow. These are just rehearsal shoots which I then upload to You Tube for the actors and directors to review their work. A light weight easily portable setup seems to work best for me. Thus the small camera.

Thanks again Bryan for the links.

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Old February 4th, 2018, 11:54 PM   #8
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There are a couple of Australian online suppliers who appear to stock the RA-V1 adapter:

https://www.dccameras.com.au/canon-r...l-adaptor.html

https://www.digidirect.com.au/access...ontrol_adapter

I would assume those prices are Aus $. Even so that's 180-190 US$. Ridiculous.
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Old February 5th, 2018, 07:28 AM   #9
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I know, I had seen those. Pretty crazy. Even the Canon website (that I linked in the OP) had the original list price at $130. Canon used to include LANC on their cameras at one time and their ZR-1000 (and ZR-2000) worked so well that I bought the ZR-1000 to use on my Sony cameras. It still works great.

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Old February 5th, 2018, 08:11 AM   #10
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Re: Substitute for RA-V1 advanced hotshoe to LANC ?

FWIW: Canon still includes LANC (a 2.5mm jack labeled "remote" on the camcorder) on many of their higher end camcorders but likely dropped it as a cost savings on many consumer camcorders.
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Old February 5th, 2018, 08:14 AM   #11
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Re: Substitute for RA-V1 advanced hotshoe to LANC ?

The current (budget) consumer HD camcorder models (HF-R80/82/800) don't even have an IR remote sensor - instead (R-80/82 only) a WiFi feature ('Near Field Communication') that facilitates some remote control/monitor functionality via a (compatible) smartphone app. From what I've read though the monitor feedback is very laggy and it's hardly practical as a remote control for tripod operation.
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There are a couple of Australian online suppliers who appear to stock the RA-V1 adapter
Just realized you mentioned that above Don:

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I see some vendors in AU may have one in stock - for a price.
So much for the speed-reading course I've been taking ;>)
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